Logic Pro - Am I the only X-a-Phobic User ?

[Logicpro9]

OK... I will try to make this post as brief as possible... first a little background...

 

I have been involved with Macs and music since Mac OS 7.5 / 9, Bias Peak, Logic 2, Cubase 3, Protools 4 and so on.

 

I have also had the pleasure of staying current on all Mac Hardware / Software changes over the years, since I am the owner/operator of a retail computer sales/service center. I am also a musician, so it was a natural side effect, that I became a PC/Mac software consultant on basically every DAW platform since the late 80s for some my clients.

 

That being said, Logic is my love, and it has been my favorite DAW since v4.8 for my own projects... but I have noticed my work flow in Logic X is much slower, less stable, and not as rewarding than in Logic 9 no matter how much time I put into learning LPX. To add to this dilemma, Mac OS X versions (since 10.7 and newer) seem to add unwanted dumbing-down features, or "take-ith away" other relied upon features in the OS & Finder.

 

Being a Loyal NI Plugin user since FM7, and integrating all Komplete Ultimate versions, up to Ultimate 8, into my DAW, have also proved to be a tightrope between Virtual instrument versions/updates, Logic versions, and Mac OS versions. I have literally spent weeks testing on multiple machines and Boot volumes every combinations of LP9/LPX with supported OS versions.

 

So now the problem (finally), I have switched between Logic 9, up to Logic X and then back to Logic 9 three times over the last 2.5 years ! If no one else is having issues, then my 50 year brain just doesn't get it. I run (3) Mac Pro 2008 (3.0 Ghz. 8 core units) and (2) Core i7 17" Macbook pros; and the best combination for both recording and mixing seems to always go back to Mac OS X 10.8.5 and Logic Pro 9. Unfortunately, the versions of the NI plugs I like the most with newer engines) need to go past 10.6, so Mountain Lion it is (the next best for stability on my units). OS X 10.9 has this terrible bug (fixable but then comes right back) that causes file copies to my RAID OWC backup boxes to crawl (both FW and eSATA). This, and the graphics lag, makes OS X 10.9 out for me, 10.10 is far too ugly for my liking (and causes issues with my LP9 projects) and El-Capitan, in my opinion, runs like "El-Crapitan" on my Core i7 MP Pro.

 

So I guess, even with LPX 10.2.2 out, I fear I may be stuck with 9 forever

[fisherking]

so what are you asking? seems you've worked out what works for you. personally, i think you've way overcomplicated things. move forward, or don't. you'll have to deal with compromises (and issues) no matter what you do.

 

but don't listen to me. i update the minute an update comes up, and, in fact, beta-test the OS these days. am not without issues, but love LX10.2.2, and OS X 10.11.4 is my best OS experience since the great 10.6.8. (i started on 7.0.1 on a power pc).

 

el capitan is a speed champ on my i7 macbook pro, so...maybe there are things to look into there. and a 2008 mac...just really old, in computer years...

[Logicpro9]

and a 2008 mac...just really old, in computer years...

 

Well, they actually do the job better than some newer macs, they are 8 Core (3GHz) and have 32 GB Each and have OWC Mercury Accelsior E2 PCI Express SSD card that run at 820 MB/s, so old... maybe... but quite fast

 

Sorry if I didn't ask a specific "fix it" question. I have always found the users of this forum to be mostly Pros and I was merely testing the waters, to see if I was "over-complicating", or to see if I am not alone in the arena of dealing with both OS X issues/bugs and Logic issues since LPX came about.

[David Nahmani]

a 2008 mac...just really old, in computer years...

Actually those are still super fast, I'm still using one, you would be surprised at what you can crank out from them. I'm surprising myself finding that I am not even thinking about upgrading my machine in the near future. I'm sure I can last a few more years! Which is, I agree with you on that one, unheard of in the computer world (before my 2008 Mac Pro, I used to buy a new Mac every 2 to 3 years).

 

It's hard to answer your non-question... I find that with every Logic upgrade, we lose some things and gain others... I try to keep several versions and sub-versions of Logic on my machine for that reason. A lot of the issues you may experience are going to be workflow dependent, which explains why you may suffer from some changes from LP9 to LPX that completely ruin your workflow whereas someone else won't even notice those changes. I try as much as I can to adapt to the new tools and change my workflow a bit to do what the software is designed to do, rather than to do what I want to do. I mean, obviously, I have a goal that I determine myself. What I mean is that rather than being stubborn and saying "But I want to do it that way, which is much faster, and more logical anyway, and that's how Logic always worked until LPX, and why did they do that.... etc.", I'd rather try to understand how to achieve my goal in LPX and just do that. Now it's easy to say that right now when I'm answering your question and everything is well for me, when obviously I also have moments when I curse and want to throw my Mac through the window.

 

But we're all doing tasks that are very different. After all, what do a film composer, a singer/songwriter and a dance music producer have in common? Not much, yet they all use the same tool to reach their widely different goals. Heck even two film composers can be using their computers in widely different ways. That's why one will swear that LPX 10.2.2 and El Capitan is the best thing on earth when another one will swear it's unusable.

 

So I'm afraid you're kinda on your own, having to make your own experiences, and making your own decisions whether to switch or not (or maybe use one or the other, or even both, for different types of projects). At the end of the day, they're just tools. Just because everyone swears the latest Bosh screwdriver is all the rage because it can do this or that doesn't mean you have to use it and can't use your old trusted screwdriver that had a better profile and wasn't ruining your screw drives the way the new one does.

[Logicpro9]

Thanks Boss for the long response; I own both of your books (for LP9 and LPX) and they are well written and have been valuable references

[fisherking]

a 2008 mac...just really old, in computer years...

Actually those are still super fast, I'm still using one, you would be surprised at what you can crank out from them. I'm surprising myself finding that I am not even thinking about upgrading my machine in the near future. I'm sure I can last a few more years! Which is, I agree with you on that one, unheard of in the computer world (before my 2008 Mac Pro, I used to buy a new Mac every 2 to 3 years).

 

 

impressive. can't imagine using a macbook pro from that year now (have always been a powerbook/macbook user...travel, etc)...

[David Nahmani]

impressive. can't imagine using a macbook pro from that year now (have always been a powerbook/macbook user...travel, etc)...

Oh yes, definitely, laptops have come a LONG way in the last few years.

[DanRad]

LogicPro9.. I feel your pain and echo your sentiments.

 

I have been using Logic since 2.5. Used it with ProTools Hardware in the 90s and then went native around LP6.0. Most of the new versions, while not always a total change for the better have offered enough "new stuff" that whatever losses came with them, I was willing to work with them (or around them) I think LP7 was the best for it's time feature/performance wise.

 

While I'm a big fan of Flex pitch (though I can Melodyne and live with that), I have yet to really see Alchemy as any kind of "better" synth than say Omnisphere. I like that they are looking at new instruments and keeping up with the Jones's as far as some features.

 

But beyond those two things...LPX is a disaster as far as I am concerned. It's unstable, slow and now with 10.2.2.. even worse than the last version I used. (See my many annoying posts about the recording preferences which have pushed me back to 10.07 to actually be productive)

 

Now and then I go back to LP9 to revise old projects for clients or something and it runs so smooth... no glitches, fast screen redraws, no stupid bugs when moving regions or trying to punch in Midi and many other things that make the program perform as expected instead of as a challenge to make work right.

 

Listen, I LOVE(d) Logic, I've composed and produced probably hundreds, possibly over a thousand hours of music that has ended up on TV, Movies and commercials etc on Logic.... But I really HATE LPX. ESPECIALLY 10.2.2

 

Look, I know this is nothing but a (great feeling) rant.. and I have no expectations, but if Logic doesn't start working better, or continues it's downward slide like the change from 10.0 to 10.2.. I think I'll be looking elsewhere to channel my creative and professional juices.

 

Harumph!!!

[Logicpro9]

Actually those are still super fast, I'm still using one, you would be surprised at what you can crank out from them. I'm surprising myself finding that I am not even thinking about upgrading my machine in the near future.

 

David, Remember to arctic silver both large CPU heat sinks every 3 years, keeps the unit running super quiet and super cool (Heat kills Mac Pros)

 

Also, the CPUs can be upgraded (even in the 2006 mac Pro) from (2) Duals to (2) Quads with Intel Zeons from ebay that are less than $30 each for those who buy a cheap $200 Mac Pros and turn them into a DAW monsters (I know you have a an 8 core already)

 

The only " weird tool" you will need is an extremely long allen (looks like this)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-Wrench-Key-USA-T-Handle-BT1-Santee-Ca-10MM-/141931312102?hash=item210bc3f3e6:g:GoYAAOSwwPhWhpuV

But you need a 3mm

 

The "T" handle gives plenty of leverage

[fisherking]

LogicPro9.. I feel your pain and echo your sentiments.

 

I have been using Logic since 2.5. Used it with ProTools Hardware in the 90s and then went native around LP6.0. Most of the new versions, while not always a total change for the better have offered enough "new stuff" that whatever losses came with them, I was willing to work with them (or around them) I think LP7 was the best for it's time feature/performance wise.

 

While I'm a big fan of Flex pitch (though I can Melodyne and live with that), I have yet to really see Alchemy as any kind of "better" synth than say Omnisphere. I like that they are looking at new instruments and keeping up with the Jones's as far as some features.

 

But beyond those two things...LPX is a disaster as far as I am concerned. It's unstable, slow and now with 10.2.2.. even worse than the last version I used. (See my many annoying posts about the recording preferences which have pushed me back to 10.07 to actually be productive)

 

Now and then I go back to LP9 to revise old projects for clients or something and it runs so smooth... no glitches, fast screen redraws, no stupid bugs when moving regions or trying to punch in Midi and many other things that make the program perform as expected instead of as a challenge to make work right.

 

Listen, I LOVE(d) Logic, I've composed and produced probably hundreds, possibly over a thousand hours of music that has ended up on TV, Movies and commercials etc on Logic.... But I really HATE LPX. ESPECIALLY 10.2.2

 

Look, I know this is nothing but a (great feeling) rant.. and I have no expectations, but if Logic doesn't start working better, or continues it's downward slide like the change from 10.0 to 10.2.. I think I'll be looking elsewhere to channel my creative and professional juices.

 

Harumph!!!

 

 

just don't get it. there's something wrong with your setup, 10.2.2 isn't universally a disaster. i'm running it, loving it. one crash (a third-party plugin). just finished mixing an album, went really well. and, on os x 10.11.4, am seeing less sudden stops than ever. 95% of my plugins are 3rd party (hmmm, maybe 98%), and everything is working...

[David Nahmani]

I just don't get it.

That's a good example of the point I was trying to make: you and DanRad are using Logic for different goals, and using different workflows. For example, the many new bugs present in LPX regarding punching and overlapping recordings are killing DanRad's workflow, whereas perhaps you rarely punch in on your own recordings? I, for one, don't often punch recordings, especially not MIDI recordings, but I did have to wipe that chapter from my book altogether as the behavior has become critically buggy to the point where it can result in a loss of data. This bug was present in earlier versions of LPX, then it disappeared, then it came back with 10.2.2. That's got to be very frustrating if you are used to using those tools constantly. But if you never use them, you probably will never notice.

 

Another good example is, you have your own list of Logic bugs that are annoying and you really wish they would fix, then a new update comes with 150 bug fixes listed, and you go through the list, and for many of the entries, you didn't even know that bug existed! This happens to me all the time. Some bug fixes can save someone's life and do nothing at all for another person.

[Logicpro9]

David, you are very correct, it depends on what features the user depends on.

 

When I dived into LPX for the first time I was very happy for the first 2 months with several live recording projects that exceeded 50 tracks each (high school band); then I loaded a film project that I did in LP9 that contained a lot of loops and got the dreaded LPX "flanged" loops issue as seen here:

https://logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119183&p=610317

 

I know programming is a very complex science, but a feature where Logic shines, LIKE LOOPS ! SERIOUSLY ! I was blown away that this bug got thru beta testing.

[skijumptoes]

For me, it was necessary to clean install El Cap and then Logic Pro X to get a great experience with it. Running LPX and Yosemite really was hard work at times, much beach balling and lagging on larger projects, i really had enough of Apple and OSX at that point, so i decided to go the clean install route, and it's all love again!

 

I think LPX, as a songwriting tool has by far advanced, and so for me i can only sing it's praises, there's so much creative tools at my finger tips which is great to get ideas down quickly, only Ableton can rival it in that regard.

 

I think what is important to note is that LPX is still very much an ongoing concern for Apple, and you're comparing it to a fully matured LP9, the question is, at the end of the LPX cycle will it be better than the final LP9 version? I think very much so, but right now it's clear to see that it's still in a period of transition.

[fisherking]

That's a good example of the point I was trying to make: you and DanRad are using Logic for different goals, and using different workflows. For example, the many new bugs present in LPX regarding punching and overlapping recordings are killing DanRad's workflow, whereas perhaps you rarely punch in on your own recordings? I, for one, don't often punch recordings, especially not MIDI recordings, but I did have to wipe that chapter from my book altogether as the behavior has become critically buggy to the point where it can result in a loss of data. This bug was present in earlier versions of LPX, then it disappeared, then it came back with 10.2.2. That's got to be very frustrating if you are used to using those tools constantly. But if you never use them, you probably will never notice.

 

Another good example is, you have your own list of Logic bugs that are annoying and you really wish they would fix, then a new update comes with 150 bug fixes listed, and you go through the list, and for many of the entries, you didn't even know that bug existed! This happens to me all the time. Some bug fixes can save someone's life and do nothing at all for another person.

 

i totally hear you. there's lots of features in LX i don't use. i could never go back to 9, and give up the newer options in X. still, the bottom line should always be the music, and whatever path one needs to get there, is the right path.

[Darude]

Just to chime in here a bit machine wise: I'm on Yosemite, not particularly "afraid" of upgrading to El Cap, but my system works ok now, so I'll let it be for now. I'm on an 8-core early 2009 Mac Pro and the actual CPU power has not yet been a problem with my on average 50-70 track projects with, say, 50/50 audio/instrument channels with multiple Logic and 3rd party plugs. I DID have to upgrade my graphics card after upgrading to Yosemite, though, because the mouse was veeery sticky, level meters were slow, even Finder behaviour was crappy. Now with just a moderate upgrade to ATI Radeon HD 5770, 1024 Mt, I'm back to decent graphics performance and good with everything else (knock on wood). I'm dreading the day when I really need to upgrade to a new MP and figure out which audio interface to get to replace my PCI MOTUs, or whether still to get a PCI dock for that purpose, and also how to deal with my numerous FW800 HDs AND the 4 drives that are in my MP. Gonna be a while, though, I hope.

 

Also, for me the bugginess hasn't really been a thing, for eg. I rarely use punch in, so haven't really even known what that is all about. But if someone took away 'Capture last take as recording' or rubber band zooming for eg., I'd be livid, so I understand and sympathize when something you're using all the time is crippled totally.

[Logicpro9]

OK, Upgraded to Logic X 8 months ago... again ! Loaded it on (3) Mac Pros 2008 (8 Cores,32GB), and 1 Macbook Pro 2012... (4 Core, 16GB); El Capitain on all, Started with 10.2.4, finished with 10.3.2 LPX. Projects completed 17... report...

 

Very smooth Recording, playback, and tons of great new features... actually used the drummer in 8 projects, could not be happy with the Sound quality of finished products. also, Both Waves Diamond plugs and NI Komplete 11 Ultimate were extremely stable.

 

Now the bad news, although I got thru this transition again, I am sorry to say, I will be loosing features and going back to LP9. There are just too many bugs in BASIC DAW features to call this a "Professional" DAW anymore; if you guys want to defend it and use it, be my guest, but it kills my workflow. I spent a LOT of extra time, rechecking everything, did my Regions Nudge ?, Are my tracks in sync ?, is my automation working correctly ? Is all controller info being sent to my external MIDI gear ? Did any MIDI regions move to different tracks or shift. I noticed that when I get past 35 to 40 tracks, I am spending more time housekeeping and checking stuff, than adding tracks. This is a big problem guys and NOT the way a DAW is supposed to function... if you have to become a paranoid asshole worrying that Logic put a random error in your song (or that you did by forgetting to check a setting), then it kinda kills the fun.

 

Visual glitches, zooms that re-position the playback head, playback head that literally goes past the window and still plays the song when it is in the Media Window, Multiple Monitor Windows/screenshots, not re-opening in the same spot, projects opening without any windows at ALL, but load correctly ... these kind of things, slow me down and confuse the 50 year old brain.

 

Cycle MIDI recording issues, Piano Roll recording/editing issues. Still Audio punch issues

 

Editing Issues, Regions getting nudged with the scissor tool... really... WFT, been using Logic since emagic.. this is basic stuff that should work flawlessly.

 

I can't rant... too many things to mention, I am sure you have heard them before; I understand bugs, I understand programming, but maybe we can make a few updates that do NOT add anymore features and fix what we have. IMO, when BASIC editing features, and BASIC timing issues arise, all the great New features get overshadowed by the need for a product to be rock solid in rudimentary categories. Music is MATH, when there are errors in the equation, nothing is balanced... LPX need to produce consistent musical results, anything else, becomes a crap-shoot.

 

I think I will come back again when version 10.8 comes out

[Plowman]

"...maybe we can make a few updates that do NOT add anymore features and fix what we have."

 

So true. For several seasons now, I've been saying that the programmers are skilled at innovation and disinterested in clean up.

[fisherking]

OK, Upgraded to Logic X 8 months ago... again ! Loaded it on (3) Mac Pros 2008 (8 Cores,32GB), and 1 Macbook Pro 2012... (4 Core, 16GB); El Capitain on all, Started with 10.2.4, finished with 10.3.2 LPX. Projects completed 17... report...

 

Very smooth Recording, playback, and tons of great new features... actually used the drummer in 8 projects, could not be happy with the Sound quality of finished products. also, Both Waves Diamond plugs and NI Komplete 11 Ultimate were extremely stable.

 

Now the bad news, although I got thru this transition again, I am sorry to say, I will be loosing features and going back to LP9. There are just too many bugs in BASIC DAW features to call this a "Professional" DAW anymore; if you guys want to defend it and use it, be my guest, but it kills my workflow. I spent a LOT of extra time, rechecking everything, did my Regions Nudge ?, Are my tracks in sync ?, is my automation working correctly ? Is all controller info being sent to my external MIDI gear ? Did any MIDI regions move to different tracks or shift. I noticed that when I get past 35 to 40 tracks, I am spending more time housekeeping and checking stuff, than adding tracks. This is a big problem guys and NOT the way a DAW is supposed to function... if you have to become a paranoid asshole worrying that Logic put a random error in your song (or that you did by forgetting to check a setting), then it kinda kills the fun.

 

Visual glitches, zooms that re-position the playback head, playback head that literally goes past the window and still plays the song when it is in the Media Window, Multiple Monitor Windows/screenshots, not re-opening in the same spot, projects opening without any windows at ALL, but load correctly ... these kind of things, slow me down and confuse the 50 year old brain.

 

Cycle MIDI recording issues, Piano Roll recording/editing issues. Still Audio punch issues

 

Editing Issues, Regions getting nudged with the scissor tool... really... WFT, been using Logic since emagic.. this is basic stuff that should work flawlessly.

 

I can't rant... too many things to mention, I am sure you have heard them before; I understand bugs, I understand programming, but maybe we can make a few updates that do NOT add anymore features and fix what we have. IMO, when BASIC editing features, and BASIC timing issues arise, all the great New features get overshadowed by the need for a product to be rock solid in rudimentary categories. Music is MATH, when there are errors in the equation, nothing is balanced... LPX need to produce consistent musical results, anything else, becomes a crap-shoot.

 

I think I will come back again when version 10.8 comes out

 

i feel for you, i really do. but am so much happier with X than 9, and so happy with it's features, workflow. am not having any real issues. here, things work the way you say you wish they would work, so... not sure what's up for you. anyway, whatever works, as long as you can make music..

[Atlas007]

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I can't rant... too many things to mention, I am sure you have heard them before; I understand bugs, I understand programming, but maybe we can make a few updates that do NOT add anymore features and fix what we have. IMO, when BASIC editing features, and BASIC timing issues arise, all the great New features get overshadowed by the need for a product to be rock solid in rudimentary categories. Music is MATH, when there are errors in the equation, nothing is balanced... LPX need to produce consistent musical results, anything else, becomes a crap-shoot...

1000% with you on that!!!

[DanRad]

The recent action on this post made me go back and read some of the comments, including my own. While I've come to peace with LPX, I still occasionally fire up LP9. Even after years on LPX, LP9, at least as I remember it on earlier OS versions, was more stable, more flexible with it's look, better laid out and less glitchy.

 

But I've moved on... just like the woman I was once in love with who moved on, I am now "comfortably" married to LPX. AND there are things I would definitely miss if I went back. (My wife makes a great soup.. oh, are we talking about software.. sorry) Bottom line, nothing last forever and everything in life includes some compromises. Unless and until there is a better option... Logic for me...

[fisherking]

there is NOTHING i miss about L9; LX is far more capable, full of great new options; more stable and efficient (at least for me), and the GUI seems... musical; it feels more like a creative app than a 'business' one; like a much-enhanced forward step from L9. so, hard for me to grasp why anyone would prefer the older logic (even after reading this thread).

 

i loved my 12" powerbook but can't imagine swapping my 'current' macbook pro for it. or going back to a hardware sequencer, or a picture-tube tv...

[skijumptoes]

Worth baring in mind if you're running older hardware that some of the glitches may be caused by incompatible/older GPU's. As Darude pointed out earlier in the thread.

[maceasy]

I couldn't possibly go back to L9. Seems very old school now. I have just finished a project with over 100 tracks, lots of virtual instruments, midi, audio, lots of edits, alternatives etc. i can safely say that not once did I have anything which made me think there were serious or irritating bugs in X. In fact i was impressed how stable it was and handled the large data stream with no annoying interruptions.

The one thing I would really love to see is genuine project alternatives - like track alternatives but the whole project, different versions, lengths etc which don't involve reloading the whole engine and all the instruments. Maybe track alternatives could be developed in such a way that you could change every track to alternative 1, 2 etc, which would effectively be different project versions?

And mixer snapshots - so we can do a mix, save it, and then do a different mix, and easily swap between them, without the similar flow stopper of reloading the whole project.

[Arnaud]

We will all have different experiences on this, I'm affraid. I've been a user of Logic since v7 (less of a veteran than some here, including Logicpro9, but some veteran though I suppose). A few months ago, I completed a massive project (a full album actually), that took me 2.5 years to achieve from end to end, and which even re-uses on some tracks ideas that stem back from L8 or so older projects). All this was done on my current 2014 MBP, originating with Yosemite and then El Cap, with many of the projects corresponding to tracks of the album started on LPX 10.1 and then ported up to 10.3.1 (I've tested them in 10.3.2 also, since it was released). Again some of the album tracks were even older projects that had moved from LS8 to L9 and stayed in the cellar to age (like wine ) before I opened the bottles again.

 

Anyways, I'ts probably because of my workflow, possibly shere luck, or blindness, or forgetfullness but:

* I would never have felt happier than with LPX and, as versions came in, so my workflow got polished over time, and the newer the Logic version in this journey, the more aligned with music creation and my own inspiration did I feel this tool to be;

* I'm 100% certain that, had I stayed in L9, I'd not have had some of the creative ideas that I came across using LPX, and I humbly believe that the end result would have been the worse for it (as far as I can tell at least, no one is a good judge of one's own work of course);

* There's only one occasion I can recall that created a temporary hiccup in my workflow (and some fear by then): that was when they redisgned the external look of the factory plugins (when was this, between 10.2 and 10.2.1, or something like that, no?) and silently changed the properties of some automatable parameters (such as in Tape Delay), which radically changed the result of some automated audio tracks of pre-dating projects; took me a couple of days to pinpoint, understand and correct by rewriting the automation; aside from that, nothing else, no issue with third party plugins, or timing, or resulting sound of each individual project. No former L9 prehistorical project that would not come back alive and kicking in LPX when de-hibernated.

 

I will close this by adding that I'm a small DIY, Indie guy: all this involved songwriting, recording (midi & audio, including virtual instruments and live ones), mixing and even mastering (yes, I know...), all this in Logic, with both the factory tools and 3rd-party plugins (e.g. NI Kontakt at the creation stage, or iZotope at the mxing and mastering stages). This is both limiting the breadth of my comments above (probably a large-scale studio would have come across much more issues than I did, just for statsitical reasons), but it also tells something I think regarding the smoothness of transitioning across these versions of Logic, with such a varied array of tasks... The one thing I did not do, was work with a movie track.

 

The above does not prove anything, and it is not meant to. In my own case, it just means I'm not dreaming of going back to 9 (and I'm sure I won't ever). I'm not sure I'll be happy with LPX 10.4, or LP XI, or whatever name and versions will happen in the future, but I'm sure I currently am, with my current gear, El Cap and LPX 10.3.2.

 

Cheers to all

[Plowman]

"The one thing I would really love to see is genuine project alternatives."

 

File >Project Alternatives. Perhaps you are looking for something in addition to this. I rarely use it, so I don't know if it forces a reload.

[Arnaud]

It does. Maceasy’s request is a fair one, would be great to have.

[Logicpro9]

I thank all of you, so many smart, creative souls. You guys have given me hope to continue to use LPX, I just loaded LP9 in El Capitan and it seems to work without issues; so for now, I will use both LPX and LP9 under El Capitan... the only issues I have is with some of my Waves Plugins, but I have work arounds.

 

I will continue to give LPX a try, but for now, I will do the 2 projects I have on the table with 9... just to calm some frustrations

[Plowman]

"It does."

 

Very well. I use VSL which can preserve all instances no matter the song. They need to reattach, but they stay in memory.

 

"Maybe track alternatives could be developed in such a way that you could change every track to alternative 1, 2...."

 

There are key commands for next / previous track alternative. If all tracks were selected, one could step through them together (in theory -- I haven't tried). But if one got out of sequence, that could be a mess.

 

Yes, a profitable thread. In particular, I appreciate the detailed vetting of smaller anomalies. My instinct says the more native a file is to LPX, the better it behaves. And for all the nettlesome bugs I face daily, the platform is stable, crashes are rare, and auto-save has ransomed data after a crash.

[Atlas007]

I would believe that real project alternatives (as I perceive what you meant) would be way more RAM demanding, which would make a feature not readily available for lower end Mac...

For switching between (entire) mixer presets, I think that Snapshot Console from AG does something like that.

[skijumptoes]

If you're swapping between mixing snapshots, surely this involves plugins loading/unloading to suit anyway?, so surely the cleanest method is for the project to reload? Unless you're specifically limiting the snapshot to mix levels and the plugins remain in state?

 

I know on the official apple forums Harrison mixbus was much loved, but i don't seem to read about it on here so much - perhaps that's the way to go if you truly want snapshots? i.e. something external that you bus into?