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Comping multitrack takes that weren't recorded to a click?


DGB111

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Excuse me if I missed a good answer to this. I tried but couldn't find a solution that fits this scenario.

 

I have a recording with 9 different mics (that need to stay phase aligned) but the various takes weren't recorded to a click.

 

So I have 5 sets of 9 tracks. If I group all the mics together and click the phase align edit button, then I can't shift any of the recordings forward or back in time so that the phrases line up. Anyone have a great solution to this?

 

I'd love to put say all the mic 1 tracks together, all the track 2 tracks together, then if I need to nudge take 2 into time have it grouped with the rest of its tracks from that take so it shifts all the mics from take 2 so they stay phase-aligned.

 

Is that possible?

 

Thanks!!!!

 

DGB

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Yeah, all the mics were the same for the whole session (9 of them in different positions), and the recording of the 5 takes happened all in the same session. Just 9 mics in position, roll the tape and record take after take, not looped, just one after the other as the tape is rolling, then cut each into it's own section. I stacked the 5 groups of nine tracks so that they roughly match the timing of each other, but it's never going to be close enough to work, if I can't nudge a phrase back or forward... Love to hear solutions.

 

I could just use volume fades and keep the takes in their own groups, but it makes it really hard to audition each bar for the take I want!

 

Would love to hear your solutions, was hoping there was some great trick to make this as quick as with the easy swipe comping.

 

Thanks!

 

DGB

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...good, the same setup across all the "takes"...now, a few more questions:

1/ what is your preferred outcome?...mix and match for the best performance across several measures, or song sections, etc? or??

2/ do you have a need to trigger-samples/drum-replacement, etc.

...you actually have a fairly complex situation, but there could be multiple solutions...depending on depending...you know the routine...hth.../s~

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Thanks!!!

 

1/ what is your preferred outcome?...mix and match for the best performance across several measures, or song sections, etc? or??

 

Yeah, just comp together the best performance out of the 5 takes, just find the best performance phrase by phrase, bar by bar, or note by note, depending on how much fixing needs to be done. Just one song, a few minutes of music total, just acoustic guitar and two singers. Need a really natural feel, hence the no click.

 

 

2/ do you have a need to trigger-samples/drum-replacement, etc.

 

Nope! Thank goodness. Just a mix of the tracks already recorded. No need to set it to a grid or time correct anything beyond using the best versions already there.

 

...you actually have a fairly complex situation, but there could be multiple solutions...depending on depending...you know the routine...hth.../s~

 

Totally. And thanks for any help you can give!

 

DGB

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All in sequence. Never hit stop, just let the tape run capturing all the takes.

 

I think I might have found an answer, or at least a method.

 

It looks like if you toggle the quick swipe comping button to turn it into the scissors, then option-click the take you want it selects the same take in all the grouped mics, then to move you can use the nudge button to move that take for all the mics. For some reason I can only get it to work with the nudge button, not by grabbing and moving the take with the mouse...? Maybe someone can explain what that's about.

 

Let me know what your method is, might be way better, it's a bit confusing and scary to be trying to move stuff around always worried about missing something and the possible phase disaster that will occur...

 

 

Thanks!!!

 

DGB

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EDIT: actually it's just a regular click, I was wrong about option-click... but all of the comp folders need to be open (disclosure triangle clicked to show all the takes). For some reason if all the mic tracks don't have the folders open the nudge doesn't work, and if you miss one it somehow disconnects it from the rest of the group... (At least in my experiments in this session YMMV I guess, because this seems like a pretty weird functionality...)

 

And it also looks like you CAN drag the takes if you click and then hold down ctrl. Again I think all the folders need to be open for it to work. I think I'd disconnected them in my early experiment and that's why dragging didn't work...

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...so I'm not missing something...

1/ you have one long, continuous set of tracks, 9 drums, some guitars, some vox.?...if true, then ONE POSSIBLE solution could be...

2/ put whatever efx/comp/eq/etc. on each drum track you need, and mix to taste, so you like how it all sounds front to back

3/ if you want to "phase align" to give yourself more "goodness" then do that now...(sometimes I do sometimes I don't)...by...

a/ since nothing changed in the mic placement from beginning to end, select one track that is fixed (to keep alignment with the vox/gtr business)

b/ on each of the tracks to be moved/aligned slice off as much as necessary on the left, starting from 1.1.1.1

c/ make sure "slide/overlap" edit is "ON"

d/ do your alignment

4/ "bounce in place" the 9 drum tracks down to a single stereo track

5/ now you can slice and dice the five takes however it works best ( N.B., I have been ignoring completely the vox/grt stuff. Whole other kettle of fish.)

6/ create a track stack and place the five slices from #4 into it, and now you can "quick swipe" to your heart's content...

 

I had to do something akin to this a while back and I used a solution about like this one. There were a lot of other "complications," but all seemed to work out.../s~

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