jwhitesides Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Anyone else use the Stereo Balance knob and find that it will sometimes freeze up after making a new channel strip and then won't be able to pan anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Yes, it's been happening to me a lot for at least 18 months- and I can't nail down when or why - it appears to be random . . when it does i have no choice but to load up the Direction Mixer and do it that way. Once it's stuck it never seems to unstuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 You're not the first one to complain about this issue. Here's a way to get out of it: STEREO PAN NOT RESPONDING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Tried the suggestion in the other topic, to manually enter a numeric value, and that does indeed control the direction, but not the width. And dragging remains frozen. It's weird because it can be frozen on a certain track object one day, and will work again the next. The randomness has made it impossible to track down, and even though I reported it about 18 months ago, I could really give much info as to when it was happening. It seems to be quite rare, so I'm thinking that it must be system and/or hardware specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhitesides Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Hi David, yes, one can input a value by double clicking, but as stated above, you can't control the width that way - and that is the primary reason to use the stereo balance is for the width capability. I also find it random, but most often it's happening immediately after I create a new channel strip (often next to the channel strip with the stereo balancer). Once that happens, I generally have to quit out of Logic and start it back up again. That can solve the issue of a frozen balancer, but not 100% effective as sometimes it doesn't work. Other times I just move on from trying and go work on another part of a mix and sometimes it will just unfreeze itself. So yeah, it's kinda random. I've tried to purposely go recreate it so that I can show some particular action that causes it to happen so I can capture it in video - then it refuses to freeze. Which is extremely frustrating. But good to know I'm not the only one seeing it. Though it seems amongst most of my friends I seem to be the only one who tends to use the stereo balance version of the pan knob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Hi David, yes, one can input a value by double clicking, but as stated above, you can't control the width that way Doesn't it allow you to then adjust each individual little square? I wouldn't know, I've never had the Stereo Pan freeze on me. To adjust the width: try click-holding like 1 pixel above the green or orange ring and drag up or down. The two white squares should become slightly bigger, to indicate that you're about to adjust the width. Now you can drag up or down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 OK I may have something at least to get Apple going with fixing this - I was trying to set up a midi controller to control the spread, in case the next time the GUI froze, the controller might still work. I go into Expert View and then Learn mode, twiddle to assign my controller, all good, then twiddle the spread on the pan knob, the controller assignments window recognizes it, but as soon as I release the spread control on the GUI, the assignment changes from Pan Spread to Pan, and the new assignment controls the Pan rather than the Pan spread. This could lbe a related or the same bug. I’m going to report this to Apple in the context of the freeze bug in case solving one solves the other. Also, when the freeze happens it is still possible to control the Spread via track automation, but at that point you might as well just use the Direction Mixer . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 but at that point you might as well just use the Direction Mixer . . Note that the direction mixer really isn't a stereo pan at all, and doesn't allow you to narrow a stereo signal and then pan the narrow stereo signal it in the stereo field like the Stereo pan does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 David - Surely the Direction Mixer can do everything the Stereo Pan can do, and more - it has a Direction Knob, and a Spread control, which in fact can go beyond 100%, unlike the Stereo Pan. I had always assumed that the Stereo Pan was a means to control the Direction Mixer controls via a GUI on the Channel Strip. Unless the Direction knob is actually a balance control, not a true stereo control, is that what you're saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Surely the Direction Mixer can do everything the Stereo Pan can do, and more - it has a Direction Knob, and a Spread control, which in fact can go beyond 100%, unlike the Stereo Pan. I had always assumed that the Stereo Pan was a means to control the Direction Mixer controls via a GUI on the Channel Strip. Unless the Direction knob is actually a balance control, not a true stereo control, is that what you're saying? No, it's neither. The spread on the Direction mixer narrows the stereo field after the Direction knob, meaning you cannot narrow a stereo signal then pan it to one side. Reducing the spread in the Direction mixer brings the signal back to the center of the stereo field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 David - thank you, I had't realized that. I just played around, and a workaround would be to use two Direction Mixers. The first one has direction unchanged, and you control the spread to narrow the signal - then the second on you do the opposite - adjust the panner but don't touch the spread - this seems to work on my quick experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Or maybe there's a third party panner that can do this more easily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 David - thank you, I had't realized that. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 one further point about this - when it happens, I can still access the Width control using my X-Touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Haven't tried it but perhaps you can map Smart Controls to the pan position and width and use those when the Pan knob freezes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Great suggestion David - unfortunately doesn't work - I just had the freeze happen on a track I'm working on - I assigned Pan Spread to a Smart Control - Immediately it shows up in the inspector as "Surround Spread" rather than "Pan Spread" but then I as soon as a I adjusted the Smart Control, it transformed itself into straightforward "Pan" and started controlling that. So, at least I can use my X-Touch to control spread - and I think there's more info now to send to Apple - this might give them enough to solve it. Thanks for you help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Weird!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Possibly fixed in 10.5 "Fixes an issue where the click zone to control Stereo Pan is unexpectedly small" sounds like it might be it . . if by small they include zero pixels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumaddict Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Hi, I just had this freezing pan knob myself and found this topic on the forum. I tried to make a new track with same settings and copied all contents, pan knob was moving again. It shouldn't happen but the repair was quick and without hassle. Kind regards, Patrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 this has happened to me occasionally, and a reboot always fixed it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Drumaddict said: I tried to make a new track with same settings and copied all contents, pan knob was moving again. Great, good to hear. Thanks for letting us know what fixed it for you! 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdco Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Same problem here in LP 10.7.6. Still not fixed Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 It's a known bug, make sure caps lock isn't on... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Bump!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, Dannyboy said: Bump!! What is the bump for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 @des99My bad. I see the solutions now. I just solved it by sending to another bus and starting over with panning info. I find the stereo pan controls super unpredictable! I guess the bump it's still an unresolved bug! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Dannyboy said: I just solved it by sending to another bus and starting over with panning info. Next time make sure you just disable the "caps lock" key as suggested earlier by @JakobP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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