Cycle Recording -- Changes from Logic 9 to Logic X

[markpr]

In Logic 9 I used to be able to record multiple tracks in cycle mode (using the yellow bar locator on top / creating repeat recording on separate V (Virtual?) tracks. (My apologies for the imperfect terminology)

 

When recording multiple audio tracks in L9, I could "cut" these individual V tracks - and keep only the pieces that I liked. In Logic X - I can not cut individual V tracks - it makes the same cut across all the V tracks. It does allow me to "Unpack to New Tracks" and then all the unpacked / seperate audio tracks are "cuttable" individually.

 

When I cycle record in Midi (LX) it also won't allow cutting of individual V tracks... and when I Unpack the multi track midi recording - I still can't cut individual (unpacked) midi tracks. I have to copy each midi track to a newly created midi track -- and only then can I make cuts to individual midi tracks.

 

In both Audio and Midi (using LX) all of the cycle / recorded tracks seem to become part of a Group? There is a vertical line on the far left of each V track... where the number of the track resides.

 

Is there a way to turn off this function of grouping cycle / recorded tracks in LX? (For both audio and midi) It seems like there should be, but after much frustration, I haven't found it?

 

I have messed around with my recording preferences (for overlapping recordings) - I tried: create track / create take folder (for both audio and midi) but I haven't been able to resolve this problem... screen shot attached.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Again I apologize for the miserably inaccurate terminology.

 

Thanks, Mark P [/size]

 

Logic 10.4.3 / Sierra 10.12.6

[Atlas007]

In Logic 9 I used to be able to record multiple tracks in cycle mode (using the yellow bar locator on top / creating repeat recording on separate V (Virtual?) tracks. (My apologies for the imperfect terminology)

You probably mean Virtual Instrument track. To achieve same you would select the Create Tracks in the Recording Preferences.

 

When recording multiple audio tracks in L9, I could "cut" these individual V tracks - and keep only the pieces that I liked. In Logic X - I can not cut individual V tracks - it makes the same cut across all the V tracks. It does allow me to "Unpack to New Tracks" and then all the unpacked / seperate audio tracks are "cuttable" individually.

That is normal behaviour if you selected Create Take Folder in the corresponding Recording Preferences. Once an audio take folder is created you could either comp it or edit it. You are probably in the comping mode.

 

When I cycle record in Midi (LX) it also won't allow cutting of individual V tracks... and when I Unpack the multi track midi recording - I still can't cut individual (unpacked) midi tracks. I have to copy each midi track to a newly created midi track -- and only then can I make cuts to individual midi tracks.

What do you mean exactly by "cutting"? If by that, you mean cutting the sound of discrete tracks, all those tracks are assigned to the same Virtual Instrument channel strip; meaning that the track header controls of all those tracks are operating the same and single channel strip (volume, pan, solo or mute). To regain discrete control, one need to reassign those tracks to their discrete channel strips (instantiated each with their own virtual instrument, or use the multichannel version of the said virtual instrument if available). Note that, if all you wish to do is muting the tracks independently, one could use the On/Off track header button (which needs to be enableb to appear on the track header).

 

In both Audio and Midi (using LX) all of the cycle / recorded tracks seem to become part of a Group? There is a vertical line on the far left of each V track... where the number of the track resides.

That is due to the option chosen in the Recording Preferences, likely the one involved here is Create Take Folder.

 

Is there a way to turn off this function of grouping cycle / recorded tracks in LX? (For both audio and midi) It seems like there should be, but after much frustration, I haven't found it?

Yes, there is: selecting the proper options in the Recording Preferences.

 

I have messed around with my recording preferences (for overlapping recordings) - I tried: create track / create take folder (for both audio and midi) but I haven't been able to resolve this problem... screen shot attached.

I would encourage you to experiment further with the various other settings available in Recording Preferences. Be also aware that the Replace option could modify the final outcome.

 

BTW, why not updating to a more recent version of Logic Pro?

[markpr]

Hi Atlas 007--

 

Sorry for my delay in responding. I really appreciate your taking time to try and help. I apologize for not answering you sooner, it just didn't happen for various reasons. Certainly not out of a lack of appreciation. I don't understand how you were able to organize your responses the way you did - so I just kind of lumped all my answers into one diatribe. Thanks again for your kindness. Seems like there isn't all that much kindness going around these days. (in general) m

 

I have tried all the options in the Recording Preferences > Audio Options: 1. Create Take Folder / 2. Create New Track / 3. Create Track Alternatives. None of these do what I am looking to accomplish.

 

Essentially what I used to be able to do in Logic 9... I could cycle / record a bunch of takes... then upon review, I could delete individual takes or parts of an individual take (by command T or scissors - or dragging either end of the file inward.) I can no longer do this, regardless of which option I choose in Final Cut X > Recording Preferences . Audio > Cycle off or Cycle on. When I try to cut one take - Logic X cuts all takes. When I mute one take - it mutes all takes. (In take folder mold.) The other modes don't create virtual tracks.

 

It does this same universal all track cutting or shortening in both the comp mode and in Scissors (cut mode). I cant seem to edit / cut / shorten individual virtual tracks - in folder, takes or track alternatives. I cant mute one virtual track, it mutes all the virtual tracks.

 

Of course I can "unpack" the virtual tracks to actual tracks... but the reason I don't want to do this is that I like to play - lets say a bass or drum track - maybe 20 times and create 20 virtual tracks. And then go back and see if there is anything I want to keep on those virtual tracks. I want to nuke all the 'loser' virtual tracks -- and partial losers -- so after my initial review and deletions of virtual tracks, I may only have a couple virtual tracks to unpack. This way, I don't have to create a bazillion "unpacked tracks" and have to edit actual tracks."

 

I find that when I create too many actual tracks - eventually my processor will stall. At around 150 tracks -- which is easy to get to if you create a lot of takes.

The idea is to minimize actual track creation. Virtual tracks don't seem to have as big of an effect of my slow processor?

 

The reason I haven't upgraded is that it's my understanding that my computer cant run any later versions of Logic Pro X. I am currently on Sierra 10.12.6 I hope I'm wrong?

 

I also have a dual boot setup - so I can run some old programs.... so altogether it's painful (for me) to upgrade operating systems. I probably need a new computer... which I would rather avoid. So... that's where I am coming from.

 

I realize sometimes new software doesn't do what the old software used to do. But I am hoping there is a way to allow for editing (cutting) capacity of individual virtual (cycle recorded) tracks - without having to unpack them all into real tracks. Does this make sense?

 

Thanks for trying to help... it's very much appreciated. mark p

 

PS. I created this response - then saved it as a draft, so I could make sure it made some sense. It took me about an hour to find where drafts are stored. Ha.

[triplets]

I could delete individual takes or parts of an individual take (by command T or scissors - or dragging either end of the file inward.) I can no longer do this,

 

To do individual take editing you have to click on the edit button that looks like a scissor next to letter, next to the disclosure triangle.

Once you're done, you click again and you're out of editing mode.

Otherwise take folders are there to do quick-swiping.

[Atlas007]

I could delete individual takes or parts of an individual take (by command T or scissors - or dragging either end of the file inward.) I can no longer do this,

 

To do individual take editing you have to click on the edit button that looks like a scissor next to letter, next to the disclosure triangle.

Once you're done, you click again and you're out of editing mode.

Otherwise take folders aro there to do quick-swiping.

Additionally, quick-swiping (comping) inside a Take Folder is only available (so far) with audio recordings.

To accomplish same with MIDI takes recordings, one has to proceed via flattening to new tracks to achieve similar type of edition.

However, in the contextual menu, (when clicking on the region's header take number) one could delete, rename duplicate, etc... (both with audio and MIDI take folder recordings).

To mute flattened MIDI takes, one has to mute the region to silent same or use the On/Off switch on the track header.

Admittedly not as convenient as the audio take folder, but easily feasible to incorporate in your workflow in the meantime. Using key-commands will speed up same.

The CPU resource footprint should not be affected with flattened MIDI takes, as all the new created tracks are assigned to the same and single channelstrip onto which is instantiated your virtual instrument (and its the eventual fx plugins).