JoshJ Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I turned Groove Track on on a couple of my audio tracks and now Logic keep giving me the following message and a number of my Melodyne plugin blobs (edits that took me a while to do) have disappeared. Can anyone tell me what might have happened here and whether theres any way of getting my Melodyne edits back? Message: Region cannot be processed: One or more regions on track "Audio 44" cannot be processed by ARA. Apple Loops, compressed audio files, and reversed regions cannot be processed, nor can regions on a track with Flex active. You can bounce the region in place or to another track, then try processing the bounced region. (I might have bounced a region or 2 in place between the time I switched groove track on and this message began to appear) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Melodyne will not work in the context of any flex edited applied to the same track. The work around is to use melodyne on the track first and then bounce that track down to a new track that can have flex applied. The reverse sequence works as well...hth.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 Thanks for explaining. Are you aware if there any way of getting my Melodyne edits back? Are there Melodyne ARA backup files stored anywhere in the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Try turning all the flex edits/settings off on the track/s. IIRC, that allowed Melodyne to "wake up" again, maybe the edits will "reappear." I have no clue/knowledge about Melodyne "back-ups." I have used Melodyne extensively for quite awhile now, and so, I have developed a workflow that accounts for how Melodyne and LPX interact without stepping on each other...hth.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 Yeah i tried unchecking/unstarring the Groove Track tracks that were checked, but the blobs in Melodyne for a those tracks had either disappeared or reimported to Melodyne without any editing on it (the displayed blobs were untuned etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 bummer...Melodyne uses the raw/original/source audio file for processing, and it seems that lpx will "flex" that source file prior to passing it along to any of the subsequent plugins on the track...yup, there are a bunch of "gotcha's" using ARA...but it sure works slick when handled carefully...(reminds me of blasting stumps on the farm as a kid)...(sigh).../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favdave Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I didn't have this particular problem, but Melodyne can cause problems in general. The best workflow is this: 1. Insert Melodyne on a channel and do your edits on that track. 2. Bounce In Place the tracks you edited onto a new track. 3. Listen to the new track and make sure everything sounds good. 4. REMOVE the Melodyne plugin on the original track. This will undo all your Melodyne edits, which is why you check the bounced track first. Mute and Hide the original track since you don't need it anymore. Basically, you NEVER want to have Melodyne active on more than one track at a time! Never. It causes strange behavior in Logic and you'll hear ghost audio, even if unused Melodyne tracks are muted. The above workflow will save you a lot of headaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 @favdave I frequently/regularly have multiple instances of Melodyne open/active in any give composition. The question for me is why the difference in out come? What is the difference in your workflow that has caused your negative outcome and doesn't (or at least hasn't yet) occurred in mine? I've used the same basic approach for several years without any difficulty, and I need to keep it that way...Cheers!.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favdave Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 @favdave I frequently/regularly have multiple instances of Melodyne open/active in any give composition. The question for me is why the difference in out come? What is the difference in your workflow that has caused your negative outcome and doesn't (or at least hasn't yet) occurred in mine? I've used the same basic approach for several years without any difficulty, and I need to keep it that way...Cheers!.../s~ Well, it invariably causes issues for me unless I follow that workflow. Immediate issues. And it's obviously causing problems for the OP. I found my solution by searching this forum a few years back -- many others experience the same thing. You're just lucky I guess You certainly don't want to have to go to Melodyne help -- their "help" person is... well, "jerk" would be the nicest word I could use. I was astonished they had a misanthrope in a public-facing position. Seriously unpleasant person whose priority was insulting you rather than helping you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 I dont understand, I've tried the aforementioned workflow (bounding Melodyne edits in place and then processing them on a separate track with VocAlign) but still the Melodyne blobs on my original track, disappear. Does anyone know why this is happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 ...sorry, but I can't quite follow your work flow. Are you leaving Melodyne "on" and in place on the original track/file? (not implementing step 4 above) Bouncing the source track to a different/new track/file with VocAlign in place, while leaving the original track untouched? Your result/observation seems to imply that VocAlign.ARA is interfering with Melodyne.ARA.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 Yes. I am bouncing my Melodyne edits to a new track exactly so I can apply VocAlign to the new track and now have it affect my Melodyne plugin. But it is. For some reason when I bounce to a new track, I go back and check for my Melodyne edit on the original track and the blobs aren't there. I experimented with Logic Groove Track but i have that and any other warping switched completely off now on all tracks, so it shoudnt be causing this issue. Although every time i open this project Im still getting the following warning message and I dont know why; "Region cannot be processed. One or more regions on track "Audio 44" cannot be processed by ARA. Apple Loops, compressed audio files, and reversed regions cannot be processed, nor can regions on a track with Flex active. You can bounce the region in place or to another track, then try processing the bounced region." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 That message indicates that some form of "flex" is turned on for "Audio 44." The "Flex" button on the menu bar only turns the display on/off for the flex information on the individual tracks. The "Flex" button on the individual track headers is where the flex processing is actually turned on/off. It's an easy workflow mistake to make, I used to do it all the time. Your "blobs" may actually "come back" when you switch the track header "flex" off. As to the interaction with VocAlign I can't say, never used it; just hope it's not true...hth.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshJ Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 Ok youre right one of the flex tracks was on but this issue with the Melodyne blobs disappearing is project wide - keeps happening on different tracks which dont have flex turned on. In fact, I just checked after turning that ONE flex track off and ALL my active melodyne blobs have disappeared from select tracks. I cant see the correlation here. Thought it might be something to do with me opening and closing the project but cant be sure. Might this have something to do with my project file being stored in a sync'd Spice projects folder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 ...couple of thoughts... Since I'm no longer sure where/how melodyne stores it's files, the spice thing may be some of the problem. I know that when using any of the LPX "cleanup" routines in the past has wiped out melodyne because LPX didn't consider melodyne files as part of the composition and so erased them. I will have to check/confirm your other observation about loosing all 'blobs" when switching a single track. So do you mean all the blobs on that single track, or all the blobs on all of the melodyne tracks?...the devil is going to be in the details I'm afraid.../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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