M1 Pro, bad performance

[Dinero]

Hi guys,

 

Am I doing something wrong here? I've had this computer (M1 Pro 10core, 32gb) for about a month and it's butter smooth for almost everything, but I basically bought it for Logic and so far I'm really not impressed.

 

I have 3rd party plugins installed, some of which are non-native. But when running sessions with all-stock plugins and even just plain audio tracks, I'm getting a lot of CPU usage on all CPU cores plus major spikes, and this is with maybe just 3-4 active tracks out of 10-15 in a project.

Changing the buffer size helps but not by much, and I have it set to use all 10 processor cores which also helps but again not by much. But I feel like I shouldn't have to change either of these settings for sessions this size honestly.

There's also been some visual glitches with the playhead lagging and such but nothing too bad I guess.

 

I'm honestly baffled just cos I spent an absolute grip on this thing and it's barely stronger than the decrepit MacBook Air I had before. I didn't migrate anything, complete fresh install. Have also tried reinstalling Logic but no difference. Seriously hoping it's a software/OS problem so it'll at least be temporary.

I'm on Logic 10.7.2 and Monterey 12.2.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

[des99]

When you have a bunch of third-party software on a new system, you have to expect that, until all those developers have released confirmed Monterey/M1 native plugins, that some things might not work smoothly yet.

 

For instance, if you only used Logic natively, and no third-party plugins, you'd probably find the experience smooth and with plenty of performance, as Logic has been optimised for that.

 

With third-party plugins, particularly if you use a lot of them, and/or old ones, your mileage and performance is going to vary. While we're in a transition process, you have to navigate it the best you can, identify plugins which don't perform well at this time, figure out whether your system currently works best under Rosetta or natively, get upgrades as they come, and move your way through the transition process until things stabilise.

[Dinero]

Yeahhh, I guess you're right. I'd heard of a few people having problems but I guess you just never think it's gonna happen to you :/

Think I will need to just trawl through everything till I find the worst offenders, and hopefully we'll be in a better spot a year from now, compatibility-wise.

 

Cheers

[ozinga]

Yeahhh, I guess you're right. I'd heard of a few people having problems but I guess you just never think it's gonna happen to you :/

Think I will need to just trawl through everything till I find the worst offenders, and hopefully we'll be in a better spot a year from now, compatibility-wise.

 

Cheers

 

It is Logic and I am hoping for a fix as I can not use it at all. Can not run my sessions from 2017 i7 iMac.

I also use Cubase and Live on my 16inch M1 Max and do not have any of these CPU problems, they work great.

Check out this thread before spending time on plugin hunting.

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253438649

[xgman]

When you have a bunch of third-party software on a new system, you have to expect that, until all those developers have released confirmed Monterey/M1 native plugins, that some things might not work smoothly yet.

 

For instance, if you only used Logic natively, and no third-party plugins, you'd probably find the experience smooth and with plenty of performance, as Logic has been optimised for that.

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Well, therein lies the problem. Now we have to count on dozens of developers to fix it which may or may not ever happen. I too feel the limitations of the M1 system, but there are a lot of advantages and one that will be realized later I suppose. I am sticking with it, but yes the older systems and versions were less problematic for those of us that use many plugins.

[markno999]

Had a similar problem that ended up being multiple issues. 1) problematic 3rd party plugins, 2) Processing Threads was set to Automatic, In Logic changed Preferences/Audio/Processing Threads to use all cores. Sounds like you did that. 3) Installed my external Sound Device (Apollo Twin) and 4) Set Logic to run under Rosetta. Go to Applications, Right-Click Logic, select Get Info, tick the box Open using Rosetta.

 

About the time I got to running under Rosetta and installing UAD Apollo Drivers everything started working correctly. All is good now and I can revert to the internal Macbook Pro Audio Device. Honestly not sure which step or steps resolved but keep experimenting and you will probably get it resolved.

 

A lot of developers have released M1 and Monterrey supported plugins but just going to stick with Rosetta for now until I am sure everything is supported. May be my imagination but I think Logic actually runs a little better under Rosetta. Haven't experimented in-depth because everything is working now but did switch back and forth a few times and made that conclusion based on a larger orchestral project. Hope this is helpful.

 

Regards

[fisherking]

When you have a bunch of third-party software on a new system, you have to expect that, until all those developers have released confirmed Monterey/M1 native plugins, that some things might not work smoothly yet.

 

For instance, if you only used Logic natively, and no third-party plugins, you'd probably find the experience smooth and with plenty of performance, as Logic has been optimised for that.

.

Well, therein lies the problem. Now we have to count on dozens of developers to fix it which may or may not ever happen. I too feel the limitations of the M1 system, but there are a lot of advantages and one that will be realized later I suppose. I am sticking with it, but yes the older systems and versions were less problematic for those of us that use many plugins.

 

this is how major transitions work, and, just as we survived (then prospered) by the move from the power pc to intel... we'll survive this.

 

more & more developers are catching up, and that will continue; some may vanish... that's life. and, soon enough, the M1 etc will be where intel macs are (or were) at their peak. giant steps forward come with conditions, and risk. and (for me, anyway) it's well worth it.

[manchesterraver]

Hi guys,

 

Am I doing something wrong here? I've had this computer (M1 Pro 10core, 32gb) for about a month and it's butter smooth for almost everything, but I basically bought it for Logic and so far I'm really not impressed.

 

I have 3rd party plugins installed, some of which are non-native. But when running sessions with all-stock plugins and even just plain audio tracks, I'm getting a lot of CPU usage on all CPU cores plus major spikes, and this is with maybe just 3-4 active tracks out of 10-15 in a project.

Changing the buffer size helps but not by much, and I have it set to use all 10 processor cores which also helps but again not by much. But I feel like I shouldn't have to change either of these settings for sessions this size honestly.

There's also been some visual glitches with the playhead lagging and such but nothing too bad I guess.

 

I'm honestly baffled just cos I spent an absolute grip on this thing and it's barely stronger than the decrepit MacBook Air I had before. I didn't migrate anything, complete fresh install. Have also tried reinstalling Logic but no difference. Seriously hoping it's a software/OS problem so it'll at least be temporary.

I'm on Logic 10.7.2 and Monterey 12.2.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

 

I was just browsing the net looking for information pertaining to something other than your specific post and just by luck I had an account from years ago,

 

signed in for the first time in years to reply to this!

 

I have M1 Max with 64 GB ram, im moving over to logic. ableton preforms like crap. anyway mate, I on this machine can get hundreds of channels 32 buffer with no issues.

 

set it the one below max CPU choice, so mine is 10 core, I set mine to 8 core, reason being is you want to leave cores free for system interupts like normal comp usage web browsing and stuff like that. if you use all your cores you will get laggy play head because the system cant breathe because it needs a little room to work properly.

 

 

you can assign all the cores but then when logic is maxed out your OS will come to a screeching halt.

 

with two cores spare for SYS interrupts logic will be maxed out hundreds of channels at 32 buffer and your system will be smooth all the time.

[manchesterraver]

Hi guys,

 

Am I doing something wrong here? I've had this computer (M1 Pro 10core, 32gb) for about a month and it's butter smooth for almost everything, but I basically bought it for Logic and so far I'm really not impressed.

 

I have 3rd party plugins installed, some of which are non-native. But when running sessions with all-stock plugins and even just plain audio tracks, I'm getting a lot of CPU usage on all CPU cores plus major spikes, and this is with maybe just 3-4 active tracks out of 10-15 in a project.

Changing the buffer size helps but not by much, and I have it set to use all 10 processor cores which also helps but again not by much. But I feel like I shouldn't have to change either of these settings for sessions this size honestly.

There's also been some visual glitches with the playhead lagging and such but nothing too bad I guess.

 

I'm honestly baffled just cos I spent an absolute grip on this thing and it's barely stronger than the decrepit MacBook Air I had before. I didn't migrate anything, complete fresh install. Have also tried reinstalling Logic but no difference. Seriously hoping it's a software/OS problem so it'll at least be temporary.

I'm on Logic 10.7.2 and Monterey 12.2.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

 

I was just browsing the net looking for information pertaining to something other than your specific post and just by luck I had an account from years ago,

 

signed in for the first time in years to reply to this!

 

I have M1 Max with 64 GB ram, im moving over to logic. ableton preforms like crap. anyway mate, I on this machine can get hundreds of channels 32 buffer with no issues.

 

set it the one below max CPU choice, so mine is 10 core, I set mine to 8 core, reason being is you want to leave cores free for system interupts like normal comp usage web browsing and stuff like that. if you use all your cores you will get laggy play head because the system cant breathe because it needs a little room to work properly.

 

 

you can assign all the cores but then when logic is maxed out your OS will come to a screeching halt.

 

with two cores spare for SYS interrupts logic will be maxed out hundreds of channels at 32 buffer and your system will be smooth all the time.

[manchesterraver]

Yeahhh, I guess you're right. I'd heard of a few people having problems but I guess you just never think it's gonna happen to you :/

Think I will need to just trawl through everything till I find the worst offenders, and hopefully we'll be in a better spot a year from now, compatibility-wise.

 

Cheers

 

It is Logic and I am hoping for a fix as I can not use it at all. Can not run my sessions from 2017 i7 iMac.

I also use Cubase and Live on my 16inch M1 Max and do not have any of these CPU problems, they work great.

Check out this thread before spending time on plugin hunting.

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253438649

 

 

get blue cat patchwork for anything that wont work native in m1

 

and run in rosetta if needd be

[Dinero]

Cheers lads. I’ve cut down all but a few plugins that seem to leave everything running decent. That was a good shout as well about leaving a couple cores free to save some bandwidth ^ cheers for that!

 

I know it’s one of those things that’ll inevitably straighten out over time but I can’t say it doesn’t sting slightly lol. Logic’s always been smoothest out of everything I’ve used so I hope it stays that way. Ah well, guess it’s time to properly master all the stock ish till the times right

[paulcristo]

Check out this thread before spending time on plugin hunting.

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253438649

This thread has ballooned to 16 pages of complaints similar to this thread. I'm wondering how widespread this issue is and if it is a Logic problem or a Monterey problem.