chevron Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Hello folks, is there a way to change the gain of a sample in Drum Machine Designer / Q Sampler? I am loading in some drum samples, and some are mighty hot Hip Hop samples. Is there a way within the Drum Machine Designer to reduce the sample gain level? Not the volume in the AMP section but before then? Cheers Edited February 28, 2022 by chevron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Yes, you can use the Smart controls, or the extended parameters: Wait... sounds like you meant Drum Machine Designer? Then the Amp Control is the way to dial in the volume, why are you looking for another way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevron Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Thanks David. How might I find the extended parameters as you have them shown? I don't get any options in the Drum Machine Designer window, and clicking the arrow in the lower-left corner of the Q-Sampler window only gives me MIDI Mode options? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I've edited my previous reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevron Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Yes, you can use the Smart controls, or the extended parameters: Drum Kit Designer Gains.png Wait... sounds like you meant Drum Machine Designer? Then the Amp Control is the way to dial in the volume, why are you looking for another way? Sorry yes Drum Machine Designer. I just got in the habit of using other drum samplers to lower the gain at source - Maschine, Ableton Drum Rack and of course in the earlier days MPC etc. So it doesn't clip throughout the signal flow. A lot of the samples I use are banging at zero (Hip Hop / Trap world) and it makes me comfortable to use the gain to get these samples in a dynamic range to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2022 Solution Share Posted February 28, 2022 The Amp section of Quick Sampler IS the source. It's first in your gain staging chain, and there's no way you can clip before it. Aside from that, you would have to destructively lower the gain of the audio file itself, which is pointless as it would not help with gain staging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevron Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 The Amp section of Quick Sampler IS the source. It's first in your gain staging chain, and there's no way you can clip before it. Aside from that, you would have to destructively lower the gain of the audio file itself, which is pointless as it would not help with gain staging. No biggy really, it is just one of those things I've become accustomed to. Being able to lower the gain on a sample and see it reflected in the graphical display is all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 No biggy really, it is just one of those things I've become accustomed to. Being able to lower the gain on a sample and see it reflected in the graphical display is all.... Oh ok, I understand, it's a workflow habit. Then no unfortunately in Logic you cannot reflect the gain change visually on the waveform display. What is important is to understand that aside from seeing, visually, the waveform become smaller, then the effect on the audio signal is really the same when you use the "Volume" knob in the AMP section of Quick sampler (or any software sampler or synthesizer for that matter): you're applying negative gain to the signal that is produced by the sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevron Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 No biggy really, it is just one of those things I've become accustomed to. Being able to lower the gain on a sample and see it reflected in the graphical display is all.... Oh ok, I understand, it's a workflow habit. Then no unfortunately in Logic you cannot reflect the gain change visually on the waveform display. What is important is to understand that aside from seeing, visually, the waveform become smaller, then the effect on the audio signal is really the same when you use the "Volume" knob in the AMP section of Quick sampler (or any software sampler or synthesizer for that matter): you're applying negative gain to the signal that is produced by the sample. Yes very much a workflow thing of mine. All good and thanks for the explanation, I guess that is why by default the VOLUME control in the AMP section is at - 6dB. It is great that Logic has a new Drum Machine type sampler, beyond Ultrabeat, that was one reason I defected to Abelton years ago and happy to be back with new features and instruments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Yes indeed Quick Sampler is a great tool and with the Drum Machine Designer integration along with Drum Synth (which is a newer, simplified Ultrabeat synth engine interface), you get a pretty complete drum machine synth/sampler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambird Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Hey sorry to open this up again, but does anybody understand how the "optimising" actually works? I think it's quite weird that it doesnt really normalize the gain to a usable value. For instance even if I use the optimized import I still end up clipping my summing stack or bus which kind of annoys me. I like to have my drums clip at around 8, which is why I always just insert a gain to pull it down by that amount but that's kind of annyoing. I think there should be a feature that actually sets the peak of a sample to the user-set amount (should be easy right? or am I missing something here). I mean, apple already has the peak normalization feature within logic so they might as well just add the option to always set the peak of any important sample to the user-set amount right? Just my thoughs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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