Art ID Set to Program Number in Live Performance

[Plowman]

I think this issue will express itself with any Software Instrument, but I'm working with Vienna Ensemble Pro on Logic 10.7.2. This behavior also appeared in Logic 10.6.2.

 

I see the following when using an Articulation Set of four IDs, set to output Programs 1 to 4 respectively:

 

With the dimension in VE set to "Prg 1," meaning the top slot will be chosen when it receives a program 1 message, the second to Prg 2, then Prg 3 and 4 for the third and fourth slot, attempt the following:

 

Highlight the first slot in VE.

 

Set the live articulation (using the drop-downs in either the plug-in window or Piano Roll) to the second ID, which outputs a program 2 message.

 

Play the keyboard. The second slot is not selected. There is no response to the program message that should be attached to live performance notes from Logic to VE Pro.

 

Now, *record* with that same second live articulation ID -- and play it back. The recorded MIDI responds to the correct ID, the program 2 message seems to be sent, and the second slot is chosen and plays back.

 

Simply put, Art ID messages set to output program numbers do not trigger the correct playback live, but once recorded, they work as intended.

 

In my hour or so of testing, I can only reproduce this behavior when the Art ID outputs program messages. If I set both the Art ID set and VE dimension to send and receive a specific CC message, they perform both live and recorded as intended.

 

If anyone has both VE Pro and Logic 10.7.2, I'd welcome confirmation. I'll be cross-posting at VSL.

[Dewdman42]

I'm getting the same behavior. This is not related to VSL software. It appears to be a bug in the logicPro articulation set behavior.

[Plowman]

Thanks for confirming. Absolutely, this is a Logic bug, not VSL. Quite unfortunate here: Piano Roll will say "sffz", but in my template, it's actually playing fp, and I'm slamming on the keyboard to make the sound speak as it should. Now I either have to adjust about a fifty dimensions over a tens of instances, or just disregard Logic's display and keep an eye on the VSL UI.

[Dewdman42]

I have a hack fix for you if you want. Setup the articulation set to use a CC instead of PC...and then convert the CC to PC with a scripter script... give me 5 mins I'll make one for you.

[Dewdman42]

Here's a scripter script you can use for now

 

var CCNUM = 100;
var pc = new ProgramChange;

function HandleMIDI(event) {
   
   if(event instanceof ControlChange && event.number == CCNUM) {
       pc.channel = event.channel;
       pc.number = event.value;
       pc.send();
       return;
   }
   
   event.send();
}

 

Basically change your Articulation Set to use CC100 instead of PC, and then this script will convert those CC100 messages into PC messages before hitting VePro.

 

you can change the script if you want to use something other then CC100

 

Put the scripter plugin into the instrument channel where VePro plugin is, copy and paste the script, hit the run script button.

[Plowman]

Well done Dewdman. Proofed it, and it works. Thank you.

[Dewdman42]

make sure to submit bug report to Apple though.

[Plowman]

Just sent the report with a link to this thread. Thanks again.