evil_cliff Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Here you go folks I’m gonna get this downloaded tomorrow https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Shields Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Yahoo! Thanks for the heads up evil_cliff. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Shields Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Actually, scrap that. It requires Monterey and I'm still on Big Sur. So I will wait for a while. I have a sneaking suspicion that 10.7.4 will be M1 only. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 There’s definitely a bunch of fixes in there that have forum threads on the issues here - good to get many of those fixed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 good to see apple on top of these things! downloading now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceasy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Only requires Monterey for the improvements to spatial audio. Otherwise Big Sur ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkofani Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Drew over at the UAD Forum says better not update to macOS 12.3 if you're a UA interface user… so if LP10.7.3 really needs Monterey and you need to update from BS today, you're screwed… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkofani Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Only requires Monterey for the improvements to spatial audio. Otherwise Big Sur ok. That's what I understood too from the release notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 AppStore says this version of Logic Pro generally requires 11.5 (Big Sur). Some of the new features require Monterey 12.3 to use, as they are OS features which you can't use unless you have the relevant OS version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Shields Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 AppStore says this version of Logic Pro generally requires 11.5 (Big Sur).Some of the new features require Monterey 12.3 to use, as they are OS features which you can't use unless you have the relevant OS version. Ok, that's good to hear. I thought it was 12.3 for everything especially since the update is not showing up in my updates folder of the App Store. I can see it in the Music section but not the Update section. I'll give it a try as soon as I have backed up 10.7.2. Thanks for the info, Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 on my intel mac, logic opens faster than ever, (both the app itself, and files). and (so far) running well, stable (i mean, it's only been hours since i installed.). more importantly: it seems that thumbnails & quicklook are working again (and not generic white icons) but... we'll see. i thought this was fixed before (it wasn't). hopefully, finally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 So far I can say that some of the bugs I was encountering have been fixed. That is good news. one thing worth mentioning, the Environment is no longer in accessible from the Window menu! A quick look in the updated online manual shows that they are labeling the Environment as a "Legacy feature" for older projects only. you can still get to it by holding down the OPTION key while going to the Window menu, and there it is...its still there... But for how much longer? I think in general reliance on the Environment is probably a bad idea rolling forward. There have been a lot of new bugs in the environment in recent versions of LogicPro. I don't know whether they fixed those with this new update or not...but perhaps rather then fixing those, they are literally just trying to hide and discourage use of the environment anymore. FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertAnthony Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Updated to Logic Pro 10.7.3 on Big Sur. Correct me if I’m wrong but this is the first version to my knowledge that splits feature compatibility across macOS versions, instead of all-or-nothing compatibility (which I feel is kinda needlessly quick and basically pushes users along to update macOS)? Hope they keep this up, but like mentioned above I kinda have the feeling this might be Apple tossing us a bone before leaving every intel-based Mac user for dead and making Logic Pro Apple Silicon only lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigramp Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Downloading, really hoping all these midi notes getting stuck are fixed, really annoying on my M1 macbook pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Correct me if I’m wrong but this is the first version to my knowledge that splits feature compatibility across macOS versions, instead of all-or-nothing compatibility (which I feel is kinda needlessly quick and basically pushes users along to update macOS)? I think you're right about this — at least as far as I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 they are literally just trying to hide and discourage use of the environment anymore. You know, for years I have this feeling that not far away in the future I'll buy the last Mac in my life, install the last Logic version with the Environment and if they then go in and rip it out all I'll feel is sorry for the coming generation of users to be deprived of such a great tool. If you look at professional software (3d animation, video editing, etc), most of the time you find some kind of object oriented, ahem, environment very similar to the Environment, which enables you to do incredible stuff and amazing customisations which then perform the most crazy things with unmatched flexibility. The difference is that all these other companies have kept developing their Environment variants for the past 30+ years into truly powerful tools while Apple, who seemingly deem their users not smart enough to handle it, and being unable to get rid of it without breaking too much core functionality, chose to hide that ugly step child in the basement and rather not mention its name in public. Here's an example of a rolling credits rig I did in DaVinci Resolve which not only does rolling credits, it has separately movable graphics elements, separate speeds, sizes, and opacity for elements, all of which are dynamically automatable: Here's another one I did in Cinema 4D to enable me to quickly render out a myriad binary permutations of a product visualisation, you know the kind of thing the client asks, "Can you do one with the yellow floor and one with white background, and small and big sizes and with and without reflections and from this angle and that angle, and this light and that light, and all possible combinations of these variants and can I have it this afternoon, yes I can.": And, of course, the big one, where Logic is the main hub of a five-piece live band, which I go into a bit more detail here https://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=140689#p725374 Here are the actual objects involved with that last one, brace yourself: In short, it'd be a big loss if Apple put this to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigramp Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Downloading, really hoping all these midi notes getting stuck are fixed, really annoying on my M1 macbook pro aaaaaaand it's not fixed. guess it's an issue with 3rd party plugins (they're all M1 versions though). not using much built in instruments so i can't really say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 one thing worth mentioning, the Environment is no longer in accessible from the Window menu! A quick look in the updated online manual shows that they are labeling the Environment as a "Legacy feature" for older projects only. They were going to have to do something about the Environment at some point, given that it wasn't being developed, brought forward, and still had all those old Logic 6 graphics and object icons etc - you can imagine new Logic users stumbling upon the Environment and being somewhat bemused as to what they were looking at... If you look at professional software (3d animation, video editing, etc), most of the time you find some kind of object oriented, ahem, environment very similar to the Environment, which enables you to do incredible stuff and amazing customisations which then perform the most crazy things with unmatched flexibility. Indeed - this kind of node-based workspace in stuff like Nuke, Resolve etc is very powerful. The Logic Environment is somewhat simpler though and only exposes a small subset of Logic's features to the user, unlike those other tools where that node-based workspace is often a fundamental concept for the core features of the app. Apple tend to have pretty good usage data about features and how their software is used, so I'm sure these decisions are difficult - they've stepped away from the hot potato of what to do about it for years and just left it in, so the users who use it can continue to do so, but that's not going to continue forever of course. Having said that - emApple have been pretty good about leaving legacy stuff in Logic, though hidden, for a long time, so it's entirely possible that, short of some feature or platform change requiring it to be ripped out, that it will stay there and be accessible, unbeknownst to new users, for the rest of the lifespan of Logic Pro 10 at least. A signpost of this is that if it's still there in, say, Logic 10.8, then it's probably not going to be ripped out just yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Yea except there have been a number of pretty blatant bugs creeping into the environment and my money says those will never be fixed now. I am sad for folks like fuzzfilth that have created such creations with the environment. I personally have only used it for simple tasks that could easily be accomplished by using transformers and filters similar as found in MainStage. I don’t really blame apple for moving away from it. Still I am sad for those people that have created incredible useful setups using it. We’ll see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patthedog Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 on my intel mac, logic opens faster than ever, (both the app itself, and files). No kidding! I timed it just before upgrading. 10.7.2 was 12 seconds to launch (still faster than Ableton). 10.7.3 is 4 seconds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 by 10.7.4, logic will open up as soon as it sees the cursor headed it's way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 by 10.7.4, logic will open up as soon as it sees the cursor headed it's way... Only for the people that have to resort to mouse operations to load it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 So far I can say that some of the bugs I was encountering have been fixed. That is good news. one thing worth mentioning, the Environment is no longer in accessible from the Window menu! A quick look in the updated online manual shows that they are labeling the Environment as a "Legacy feature" for older projects only. you can still get to it by holding down the OPTION key while going to the Window menu, and there it is...its still there... But for how much longer? I think in general reliance on the Environment is probably a bad idea rolling forward. There have been a lot of new bugs in the environment in recent versions of LogicPro. I don't know whether they fixed those with this new update or not...but perhaps rather then fixing those, they are literally just trying to hide and discourage use of the environment anymore. FWIW. Pressing Command-0 still opens it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 yes and so does using the OPTION key as I already indicated. However, I think its important to recognize that the environment itself is being phased out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 yes and so does using the OPTION key as I already indicated. However, I think its important to recognize that the environment itself is being phased out. Not sure that is true. I think much as Apple chose to hide the User library they are hiding the Environment since 90% of users never go into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Not sure that is true. I think much as Apple chose to hide the User library they are hiding the Environment since 90% of users never go into it. The current manual says: Note: The Environment is a legacy feature and included for compatibility with projects from older versions of Logic Pro. ...which should give a clear indication of how they are treating the environment going forward. It's going to still be there and accessible for a while, but is now considered a "legacy feature". It’s not essential to know about—or even open—the Environment in order to make music with the Logic Pro instruments or your external MIDI sound generators and keyboards. As I said earlier, I don't think it's going to be ripped out just yet, and should stay tucked away in a dark corner for a while longer yet. It still has a full, prominent manual chapter dedicated to it, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Not sure that is true. I think much as Apple chose to hide the User library they are hiding the Environment since 90% of users never go into it. The current manual says: Note: The Environment is a legacy feature and included for compatibility with projects from older versions of Logic Pro. ...which should give a clear indication of how they are treating the environment going forward. It's going to still be there and accessible for a while, but is now considered a "legacy feature". It’s not essential to know about—or even open—the Environment in order to make music with the Logic Pro instruments or your external MIDI sound generators and keyboards. Ooh, did not see that. Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 yes and so does using the OPTION key as I already indicated. However, I think its important to recognize that the environment itself is being phased out. Not sure that is true. I think much as Apple chose to hide the User library they are hiding the Environment since 90% of users never go into it. They are also labeling it in the user manual as a "Legacy feature' only there to support older projects. Nobody has a crystal ball....but my crystal ball says...don't rely on the environment too much anymore other then simple tasks which should probably be replaced by front end gui features eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 oh yea, what he said...Des beat me to the punch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoisiePants Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Sadly I'm seeing a problem with the 10.7.3 release: Omnisphere automation parameters are not available - the whole plug-in doesn't appear in the Automation parameter drop-down menu in the Track Headers. It does appear (as expected) in 10.7.1 and 10.7.2... This is with Omnisphere 2.8.2c and macOS 12.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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