Simultaneously Edit takes across multiple tracks

[m-m-m]

I recorded an acoustic guitar part. I used a mic and the internal pickup on separate channels. I did multiple takes. Now I want to make a comp, but I don't know how to lock the two tracks together so they both stay on the same take together. Seems like there's gotta be a way to do this. I couldn't find the answer.

[David Nahmani]

Yes, what you need to do is open the Mixer, select the two channel strip, click the Group slot and put them in the same group. Then in the Group inspector make sure you select Editing. Select Quantize-Locked if you're going to use Flex Time or Audio Quantization. 

[m-m-m]

I tried this but maybe I'm not being clear because I'm not getting what I'm looking for. When I'm trying to make my comp on one track, it doesn't copy my take selections for comp regions to the other track. I want to tie the two tracks together so that they are taking audio from the same take. 2 tracks. Same comp regions

Edited June 1, 2022 by m-m-m

[fuzzfilth]

Which is precisely the setup that David proposes. What exactly happens when you try it ? Show screenshots.

Edited June 1, 2022 by fuzzfilth

[David Nahmani]

If you follow my instructions, here's what you should experience: 

[m-m-m]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. It doesn't seem like a complicated operation but it's not working for me. I think I've got it all on the screenshot. You can see on take 10 on the 2 tracks that the comp region did not copy. I made this selection after they were in a group together. Not sure how they behave if you make the selection before they are grouped ....

I selected quantize locked just in case, even though I'm not doing any flex time or audio quantization.

Thanks for all the help. Sorry if I'm being dense

[triplets]

Toggle the Group off and on with Shift-G, and try again?

If no change, restart Logic, and try again.

[m-m-m]

tried:

toggling groups one and off - same result

revert to save prior to using groups - same result

restarting logic - same result

restart Mac and logic - same result

 

I included a new screenshot just in case something can be learned. Could there be some preference that I'm unaware of?

[triplets]

What if you swipe the desired take on the second track instead of the first?

[David Nahmani]

On that screenshot, what happens if you select take 8 in between measure 8 and 8.4 on the first track?

[m-m-m]

1 hour ago, David Nahmani said:

On that screenshot, what happens if you select take 8 in between measure 8 and 8.4 on the first track?

same behavior

 

1 hour ago, triplets said:

What if you swipe the desired take on the second track instead of the first?

same behavior

 

But I did get some mixed results - Later on on those tracks I've got a similar situation with different regions and the behavior was working. So now the problem is just 'why is the group ignoring comp region changes on these particular regions'. I may have messed with the takes on one track a bit before they were grouped together, but I had them all set the same when I created the group

[David Nahmani]

6 minutes ago, m-m-m said:

I may have messed with the takes on one track a bit before they were grouped together

That's most likely it. Logic doesn't like it when you're trying to edit tracks as a group but they weren't recorded together or they've been messed with or moved in different ways etc. One thing that helps is to use the Marquee tool to select and cut the beginning and end to make sure the regions on both tracks start and end at exactly the same points.

But the absolute best way to make sure everything behaves is to record the tracks together as a group. If you have to, set the outputs of the tracks to busses and record the busses on new tracks as a group, then edit those two new tracks. 

[polanoid]

What David says. Logic is quite picky when it comes to grouping Take Folders. They need to have a very similar structure (same number of takes, same take lengths and start positions, same number of regions per take lane), otherwise they are not regarded as grouped.

Edited June 2, 2022 by polanoid

[m-m-m]

That's a bummer. Maybe plan B is just using the mic and trashing the direct signal.

Unless somebody corrects me I'll assume that recording a group just means setting up the group on the channels before you record and then you just record as normal. Right?

21 hours ago, David Nahmani said:

If you have to, set the outputs of the tracks to busses and record the busses on new tracks as a group, then edit those two new tracks.

I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I don't know how to record a bus to a track (unless you mean routing them to a bus, soloing that bus, and then bouncing them and dragging the bounce back to the main window - that doesn't sound like what you're talking about). Sounds like any kind of bouncing or recording would lose me the option of mixing the two tracks. Also sounds like I'd have to do it for every take, but that's not so bad if the procedure is easy enough. Anyways, please elaborate

[polanoid]

22 minutes ago, m-m-m said:

I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I don't know how to record a bus to a track (unless you mean routing them to a bus, soloing that bus, and then bouncing them and dragging the bounce back to the main window - that doesn't sound like what you're talking about). Sounds like any kind of bouncing or recording would lose me the option of mixing the two tracks. Also sounds like I'd have to do it for every take, but that's not so bad if the procedure is easy enough. Anyways, please elaborate

Set an Audio Track's output to a Bus, say Bus 1. Then create another Audio Track and set its input to Bus 1. From then on you can re-record everything on the first Audio Track onto the second one.

[David Nahmani]

5 hours ago, m-m-m said:

Sounds like any kind of bouncing or recording would lose me the option of mixing the two tracks. Also sounds like I'd have to do it for every take, but that's not so bad if the procedure is easy enough. Anyways, please elaborate

You wouldn't lose the option of mixing the two tracks because you would bounce each take individually. 

For example if you have 3 takes on track 1 and 3 takes on track 2, you set the output of track 1 to bus 1 and the output of track 2 to bus 2. Create two new tracks with their inputs set to bus 1 and bus 2 and group the two new tracks. R-enable them. Make sure you select takes 1 in tracks 1 and 2 and press record to re-record the two take 1 on the two new tracks. Stop and go back to the beginning of the takes. Select take 2 on both tracks, and press record. Repeat for take 3.  

[Atlas007]

1 hour ago, David Nahmani said:

You wouldn't lose the option of mixing the two tracks because you would bounce each take individually. 

For example if you have 3 takes on track 1 and 3 takes on track 2, you set the output of track 1 to bus 1 and the output of track 2 to bus 2. Create two new tracks with their inputs set to bus 1 and bus 2 and group the two new tracks. R-enable them. Make sure you select takes 1 in tracks 1 and 2 and press record to re-record the two take 1 on the two new tracks. Stop and go back to the beginning of the takes. Select take 2 on both tracks, and press record. Repeat for take 3.  

Great tip!

Thanx David!

[m-m-m]

Thanks polonoid and David

[David Nahmani]

2 hours ago, m-m-m said:

Thanks polonoid and David

You're welcome, I hope that was clear but let me know if you need help setting it up.