"Follow tempo & pitch" always on when importing audio.

[Marneknold]

Here's another example of why i don't want this.

if you drag in a loop (thanks for learning me that !) and then turn off "follow tempo" (and BTW have to adjust the gain in the inspector, because logic also thinks its a good idea to adjust that for you).

something has then happened. the loop is not just being played back as it was originally.

it is sounds wired and "wrapped".

 

The fils attached are :

 

File 1: this is the loop bounced out, after it has been put back to 0dB gain in the inspector, and the "follow tempo" checkbox has been check off. (in my head, this should make the loop sound 100% as the original loop right?)

 

File 2: this is the original loop.

 

File 3: is a bounce of the 2 previous files bounced together. 

 

Very annoying behaviour...

[Marneknold]

Just now, Marneknold said:

Here's another example of why i don't want this.

if you drag in a loop (thanks for learning me that !) and then turn off "follow tempo" (and BTW have to adjust the gain in the inspector, because logic also thinks its a good idea to adjust that for you).

something has then happened. the loop is not just being played back as it was originally.

it is sounds wired and "wrapped".

The fils attached are :

File 1: this is the loop bounced out, after it has been put back to 0dB gain in the inspector, and the "follow tempo" checkbox has been check off. (in my head, this should make the loop sound 100% as the original loop right?)

File 2: this is the original loop.

File 3: is a bounce of the 2 previous files bounced together. 

Very annoying behaviour...

for some reason, the attached loops didn't upload in the order i thought. anyway, the first file is no.3, second no.1, third one no.2... sorry...

[ale lopes]

I've made a video using an audio file that shows how Logic is behaving. Now It's even changing the project tempo even though I haven't set it up for that, not in the Control Bar and neither on the Settings.

 

[ale lopes]

6 hours ago, David Nahmani said:

Check: 

1. That your project tempo mode is set to KEEP (below the bpm value in the LCD display),
2. That under File > Project Settings > Smart Tempo, the default Flex settings are both Off? 

I've checked both and that's what I have always setted up on projects, but I'm still having that behavior. 

Edited September 25 by ale lopes

[David Nahmani]

2 minutes ago, ale lopes said:

I've checked both and that's what I have always setted up on projects, but I'm still having that behavior. 

The reason is the same as the one I explained to @Marneknold, you are dragging in a Loop (as indicated by the loop icon next to the region name), and Loops are supposed to follow the tempo of the project. 

3 hours ago, Marneknold said:

something has then happened. the loop is not just being played back as it was originally.

Could you attach that loop here? 

[David Nahmani]

3 hours ago, Marneknold said:

(in my head, this should make the loop sound 100% as the original loop right?)

Yes but check that the sample rate of the project is the same as the sample rate of the loop?

[ale lopes]

1 hour ago, David Nahmani said:

The reason is the same as the one I explained to @Marneknold, you are dragging in a Loop (as indicated by the loop icon next to the region name), and Loops are supposed to follow the tempo of the project. 

Could you attach that loop here? 

 

I get it, although I think it shouldn't turn on everytime you add a new audio if it's set to off. That should only happens if the Flex and Follow is on before you import something.

Anyway, I still have the issue of the audio played being different of the audio shown visually on the track region...

 

[David Nahmani]

10 minutes ago, ale lopes said:

I get it, although I think it shouldn't turn on everytime you add a new audio if it's set to off. That should only happens if the Flex and Follow is on before you import something.

It's not every time you add any new audio file, it's only when you add an audio file that is tagged as a loop. Loops are meant to, by default, automatically follow the project tempo, no matter what the default audio settings are in the region inspector. 

[ale lopes]

23 minutes ago, ale lopes said:

I get it, although I think it shouldn't turn on everytime you add a new audio if it's set to off. That should only happens if the Flex and Follow is on before you import something.

Anyway, I still have the issue of the audio played being different of the audio shown visually on the track region...

And that's the whole point of trying to import audio files on their original version. Because every time I go to import a new audio file, I get the Flex and Follow turned on automatically and I need to turn it off, because it's not in the way I intended to use it. With that track with the Flex and Follow turned off, I get this file that is neither not playing at the place showed by the image nor playing like the original file.

Edited September 26 by ale lopes

[Atlas007]

On 9/25/2023 at 8:46 PM, ale lopes said:

And that's the whole point of trying to import audio files on their original version. Because every time I go to import a new audio file, I get the Flex and Follow turned on automatically and I need to turn it off, because it's not in the way I intended to use it. With that track with the Flex and Follow turned off, I get this file that is neither not playing at the place showed by the image nor playing like the original file.

I have the impression that you are confusing audio files and loops file… Both are audio files but the loop file contain some data information that Logic use to make it fit your project…

[Marneknold]

On 9/26/2023 at 12:49 AM, David Nahmani said:

The reason is the same as the one I explained to @Marneknold, you are dragging in a Loop (as indicated by the loop icon next to the region name), and Loops are supposed to follow the tempo of the project. 

Could you attach that loop here? 

Hey David. Thx for taking your time, to try and solve this issue. It was a bit of an eye opener, to know that it has to do with loops, being tagged (or what ever its called). Still very annoying though, because of what "ale lopes" also is mentioning, "this is not what we what to happen with you, damn loop, and there's nothing we can do about it"...

anyway, i have attached the loop here. And you were right. it is simply a matter of samplerate.

Thank you ! 

If someone some day finds a way, to make loops behave. please write ! ❤️✌🏻

[David Nahmani]

2 hours ago, Marneknold said:

i have attached the loop here. And you were right. it is simply a matter of samplerate.

Oh ok then there you go, that was the answer, there's no need for me to look at your loop then. 

2 hours ago, Marneknold said:

If someone some day finds a way, to make loops behave. please write ! ❤️✌🏻

It's doubtful this behavior will change. Apple Loops are expected to follow the project tempo and key, so that's what they do by default. Of course you can turn that behavior off, but you have to do it manually, in the Region inspector. 

[Marneknold]

5 hours ago, David Nahmani said:

Oh ok then there you go, that was the answer, there's no need for me to look at your loop then. 

It's doubtful this behavior will change. Apple Loops are expected to follow the project tempo and key, so that's what they do by default. Of course you can turn that behavior off, but you have to do it manually, in the Region inspector. 

Yes. But if the loops samplerate is lower than your project (personally I always work in 48k) then you would have to convert your loop to a regular audio file (if you want to work, with the loop in its original form). This is actually my main issue… 

[David Nahmani]

2 hours ago, Marneknold said:

But if the loops samplerate is lower than your project (personally I always work in 48k) then you would have to convert your loop to a regular audio file (if you want to work, with the loop in its original form). This is actually my main issue… 

Aah... ok I understand the issue. 

It's weird, I ran some tests and if I import a 44.1kHz apple loop into a 48kHz project, then disable Follow Tempo, the waveform shifts out of time (as expected) yet the region length does not change, and the loop actually continues playing at the project tempo, it's just being chopped off at the end. In the example below, the no-follow-tempo loop always plays at the project tempo: 

So in any case yes if you truly don't want the loop to follow tempo, you better first convert it to a plain old audio file. The best way to do that is to select your audio region and press Control-B to bounce in place. 

[ale lopes]

13 hours ago, David Nahmani said:

Aah... ok I understand the issue. 

It's weird, I ran some tests and if I import a 44.1kHz apple loop into a 48kHz project, then disable Follow Tempo, the waveform shifts out of time (as expected) yet the region length does not change, and the loop actually continues playing at the project tempo, it's just being chopped off at the end. In the example below, the no-follow-tempo loop always plays at the project tempo: 

So in any case yes if you truly don't want the loop to follow tempo, you better first convert it to a plain old audio file. The best way to do that is to select your audio region and press Control-B to bounce in place. 

So in order to solve the issue, it's better to on projects at 44.1 kHz? Does it change something in terms of audio quality at the end?

[David Nahmani]

4 minutes ago, ale lopes said:

So in order to solve the issue, it's better to on projects at 44.1 kHz? Does it change something in terms of audio quality at the end?

Yes, if you're doing a lot of this in your workflow then I would start projects at 44.1kHz. 

The audio quality difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz is negligible. 

[Marneknold]

22 hours ago, David Nahmani said:

Aah... ok I understand the issue. 

It's weird, I ran some tests and if I import a 44.1kHz apple loop into a 48kHz project, then disable Follow Tempo, the waveform shifts out of time (as expected) yet the region length does not change, and the loop actually continues playing at the project tempo, it's just being chopped off at the end. In the example below, the no-follow-tempo loop always plays at the project tempo: 

So in any case yes if you truly don't want the loop to follow tempo, you better first convert it to a plain old audio file. The best way to do that is to select your audio region and press Control-B to bounce in place. 

True with bounce in Place, but that would require that you work in a 44.1 session to begin with. That’s the hole issue. So my work around (because I work in 48) has been to convert to good old audio file before dragging to logic. 
thnaks again

[aft]

Hi everyone!

I diligently read everything in this thread and I have tried all the suggested actions and unfortunately none of them solved my issue. I am just wondering if any of you came up with a definitive solution?

 

In my case the only fix so far is to downgrade to 10.7.2 , that's the only instance where this issue doesn't happen. All the recent version cause this very same problem related to follow tempo and pitch.

 

There's actually even another issue most likely related to this one (I will open a new thread for it) which is related to using the apply session tempo to a certain region but this region is seen as a loop by logic and therefore you can't adjust the tempo.

 

Thanks everyone and looking forward to hear from you as this has been driving me nuts!

 

Edited November 15 by aft
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