EQ Graphic Analyzer reacting BEFORE hearing the notes

[ADLondon]

I am a bit confused. I seem to have anti-latency of some kind. On playback of a song, (which admittedly DOES have a lot of tracks/plug ins) I find a couple of odd things happen:

1. When I open a Logic standard EQ, the analyzer is displaying the movement of the notes BEFORE I hear it, which is quite off-putting when trying to use my eyes (as well as my ears).

2. In a similar vein (but kinda opposite), sometimes when I automate plug-ins, they sound BEFORE the automation has happened visually.

I have found myself having to just workaround these annoyances but they really do frustrate me! (Never had any of this - with my old Mac Pro and ancient Logic 10.3 or whatever I was on...just sayin')

Can anyone shed any light on these things?

 

I'm on a Mac Mini (2018) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7
Big Sur 11.6.5
Logic X 10.7.3

 

[des99]

16 minutes ago, ADLondon said:

1. When I open a Logic standard EQ, the analyzer is displaying the movement of the notes BEFORE I hear it

No, they are displaying the flow of audio correctly as it passes through them and gets processed.

What's happening is, due to latency across multiple plugins, the audio stream *after* it has passed through the plugins is getting delayed so everything can line up.

If you don't use high-latency plugins, particularly on the masters of aux channels, which can't easily be compensated for (unlike, say, audio tracks) this won't be so apparent. it's really down to your sessions and the tools you are using.

[ADLondon]

You're right! It was the Abbey Road TG Mastering plugin I had on the master output channel. (I realise I wasn't mastering yet, but I added a few things on the Output 1-2  that I'd used before on a similar track). Lesson learned. Thanks.

Any ideas re the automation reverse happening?

[David Nahmani]

2 minutes ago, ADLondon said:

Any ideas re the automation reverse happening?

Can you share a project file where this is happening? 

[ADLondon]

Hi David,

 

13 minutes ago, David Nahmani said:

Can you share a project file where this is happening? 

 

I can't remember which tracks it's happened on. But when I notice it happening again, I will. 

Thank you.

[David Nahmani]

You're welcome. If we can see a project file and experiment with it then it would be easier to determine exactly why this is happening. Which exact version/sub-version of Logic Pro are you using? 

[ADLondon]

I'm on a Mac Mini (2018) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7
Big Sur 11.6.5
Logic X 10.7.3

[David Nahmani]

Ok thanks. I was asking because the visual delay compensation was improved in more recent versions of Logic Pro (10.7.3 being one of the more recent versions) compared to older versions. 

[ADLondon]

Oh... maybe so, but not with the AR plug in... I've since seen a lot of people saying this on other forums etc.. Seems to be a thing with that one (hence only really meant to use it when mastering I guess.

Just that whilst I know you still shouldn't set up tracks for mixing with master bus plug-ins on, we often do add stuff we know makes sounds pop out/glue together in a good way.. well I do... 😬

[des99]

11 minutes ago, ADLondon said:

Just that whilst I know you still shouldn't set up tracks for mixing with master bus plug-ins

It's not so much you *shouldn't*, but it's more there are possible consequences from this that you need to understand to best make choices as to how to work...