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i just want to select all regions, then swap their location in the arrangement with other regions.

as of now, i have to turn off the "move track with automations" feature, then select the regions i want to replace, move them in some other erroneous place in the arrangement, choose the OTHER regions i want to replace that region, place them where i want, then grab the region in bumble butt nowhere and drag them back, them turn back on my "move tracks with automation" feature.  not to mention, i usually have bus automation going on, so i have to draw a midi region manually and actually move those blank regions with automations under the respective place in the arrangement. i've never done this right the first time and it usually messed up something in my whole arrangement that i have to fix and it's even worse when i don't notice something is off and have to fix it way later down the line when i notice it.  

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11 hours ago, polanoid said:

What do you mean by "all"? All regions on a track?

all of the regions that i select (vertically.....not all regions on the same track).

1. cut "region A" appropriately with marquee tool - ie. from bar 1 to bar 8 
2. select "region A" and cmd+u to align cycle with that region
3. shift + L to select all regions within that cycle
4. cmd + A to select absolutely ALL regions and use marquee tool to cut all regions the same way i cut "region A" 
5. cmd + U to align cycle with "region A" once again
6. shift + L to select all of the regions inside the cycle
7. move appropriately

It's truly an annoying process and i'm (not so) sure there is an easier way.

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Interesting. So you’re basically replacing a part of a song with something completely different? But still the automation should stay as it is?

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Have you considered using the Arrangement track (and Markee stripe) instead?

There are also the Cut/Insert Time commands that could be handy...

Depending of your creative process, perhaps Live Loops (scenes) might also be of interest to explore...

 

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On 7/30/2022 at 11:16 PM, polanoid said:

Interesting. So you’re basically replacing a part of a song with something completely different? But still the automation should stay as it is?

yes.

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On 8/1/2022 at 8:24 AM, Atlas007 said:

Have you considered using the Arrangement track (and Markee stripe) instead?

There are also the Cut/Insert Time commands that could be handy...

Depending of your creative process, perhaps Live Loops (scenes) might also be of interest to explore...

thank you for your help.

i never knew about the "arrangement markers" (separate from "markers"), and i just tested it out.  it seems very inflexible and doesn't work like it says it does.  it straight up won't let me move the arrangement markers in some spots and nothing happens.  I can move arrangement markers (and the regions included) around like it says it does, but replacing one arrangement with another doesn't work.  i can only swap them. 

i've given up on live loops when it first came out ever since i found out you cannot write automation into the cells and you have to write automation in the arrangement window, then drag and drop that into the cell which is an annoying workflow.  i use a lot of automation, so  i'll wait for logic to catch up on that one. 

I tried the "cut/insert time", but it doesn't maintain the automation on the regions.  it keeps the automation where it is which is annoying, even when my preferences are on "always move automation with region".  
 

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also, noted something wrong in this manual.  ctrl-clicking didn't bring up the referred menu.  it's option-click.

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Try this: Select the first set of regions and cut (cmd+x). Select and move the second set of regions there. Place the playhead where you want the first region set and paste (cmd+v). Of course you will still have to turn off the "move track automation with regions"

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3 hours ago, SoSpiro said:

I can move arrangement markers (and the regions included) around like it says it does, but replacing one arrangement with another doesn't work.  i can only swap them. 

It may appear like you're swapping the arrangement markers if you work with only two of them? But in reality what you're doing when moving an arrangement marker is you're inserting it in the position where you're dragging it. So all your arrangement markers are always connected, in sequence, for example intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus. There's no empty gaps between markers so if you drag that last chorus close to the beginning of the last verse then you'll end up with intro, verse, chorus, chorus, verse. Does that make sense? 

4 hours ago, SoSpiro said:

I tried the "cut/insert time", but it doesn't maintain the automation on the regions.  it keeps the automation where it is which is annoying, even when my preferences are on "always move automation with region".  

There are two ways to cut/insert time. If you want to maintain everything (including automation, tempo changes, markers etc...) with the regions, then choose the options in the menu Edit > Cut/Insert Time > .... or use the corresponding key commands (by default, Control-Command-X, Control-Command-V, Control-Command-Z and Control-Command-R).

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On 8/3/2022 at 2:08 AM, JakobP said:

Try this: Select the first set of regions and cut (cmd+x). Select and move the second set of regions there. Place the playhead where you want the first region set and paste (cmd+v). Of course you will still have to turn off the "move track automation with regions"

that's a tad bit better.  i'm also going to just paste empty midi regions on all my buses so i never forget to add them when moving around regions and their automations.

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On 8/3/2022 at 11:39 AM, David Nahmani said:

It may appear like you're swapping the arrangement markers if you work with only two of them? But in reality what you're doing when moving an arrangement marker is you're inserting it in the position where you're dragging it. So all your arrangement markers are always connected, in sequence, for example intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus. There's no empty gaps between markers so if you drag that last chorus close to the beginning of the last verse then you'll end up with intro, verse, chorus, chorus, verse. Does that make sense? 

There are two ways to cut/insert time. If you want to maintain everything (including automation, tempo changes, markers etc...) with the regions, then choose the options in the menu Edit > Cut/Insert Time > .... or use the corresponding key commands (by default, Control-Command-X, Control-Command-V, Control-Command-Z and Control-Command-R).

i understand what you meant in your first paragraph and get it now, but the manual said "to replace arrangement markers, drag and drop one arrangement on top of another" when that's false.  When i hear "replace", i think the arrangement you're dragging and dropping is SUBSTITUTING the arrangement marker you're dropping it on (as in one of the arrangement markers will now be deleted), when in reality, you're swapping....not "replacing".  That confused me for longer than i'd like to admit.

your second paragraph- yea i'm using the "insert silence" via ctrl-cmd-Z, but even when i check the option to NEVER move the automation with the region, it still moves it and changes my automation.  

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6 hours ago, SoSpiro said:

When i hear "replace", i think the arrangement you're dragging and dropping is SUBSTITUTING the arrangement marker you're dropping it on (as in one of the arrangement markers will now be deleted), when in reality, you're swapping....not "replacing".  That confused me for longer than i'd like to admit.

Got it. You're right that the use of the word "replace" is not very... precise. 

6 hours ago, SoSpiro said:

your second paragraph- yea i'm using the "insert silence" via ctrl-cmd-Z, but even when i check the option to NEVER move the automation with the region, it still moves it and changes my automation. 

Ok I misunderstood your intention then. I thought that result (the one I see in your video) was your intended result.

If you want to apply your option to either not move the automation with the region (so that the automation stays put when you insert silence), then you need to use the other "insert silence" key command, the one that applies to the selection:

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On 8/6/2022 at 1:51 AM, David Nahmani said:

Got it. You're right that the use of the word "replace" is not very... precise. 

Ok I misunderstood your intention then. I thought that result (the one I see in your video) was your intended result.

If you want to apply your option to either not move the automation with the region (so that the automation stays put when you insert silence), then you need to use the other "insert silence" key command, the one that applies to the selection:

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thank you for showing me that shortcut that was unassigned and i didn't know existed.  it worked, as long as the automation preferences were on the appropriate "always" or "never" option.

I've also achieved great results after learning about the arrangement markers.  THANK YOU LOGIC PRO COMMUNITY!

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On 7/31/2022 at 11:24 PM, Atlas007 said:

Have you considered using the Arrangement track (and Markee stripe) instead?

There are also the Cut/Insert Time commands that could be handy...

Depending of your creative process, perhaps Live Loops (scenes) might also be of interest to explore...

another thank you for mentioning the arrangement markers that i never knew about!

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