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This depends very much on the plugins. A compressor, and all other dynamic effects, is, by definition, effect only. A reverb, on the other hand, has a dry/wet balance knob and this results in effect-only when turned fully towards wet. But then, a chorus turns the source into a sloppy, drunk, out of time and out of tune mess if you leave out the original.

Also, be aware that a reverbed signal (including original) will be processed radically different by a following compressor than reverb-only being compressed. 

So it seems the result will not be what you expected in pretty much all cases.

What is it that you're trying to achieve ?

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36 minutes ago, fuzzfilth said:

This depends very much on the plugins. A compressor, and all other dynamic effects, is, by definition, effect only. A reverb, on the other hand, has a dry/wet balance knob and this results in effect-only when turned fully towards wet. But then, a chorus turns the source into a sloppy, drunk, out of time and out of tune mess if you leave out the original.

Also, be aware that a reverbed signal (including original) will be processed radically different by a following compressor than reverb-only being compressed. 

So it seems the result will not be what you expected in pretty much all cases.

What is it that you're trying to achieve ?

Essentially, yes. What I have is a guitar track with some echo and an octave effect on it. My collaborator is mixing the track and asked for an effects only track so he has the dry track and can mix the effect track to taste. Can’t find anything on it in the manual or the Apple community support group. 

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So the Octaver and the Echo are eventually mixed with the original, right?

Now, assuming that the Octaver and the Echo are not something that he can recreate because....reasons, you face a conundrum here.

In normal operation, you feed the original guitar track into the first plugin, say, the Octaver. Original guitar and octave guitar come out from this and go into the Echo, which turns these two into original guitar, octave guitar, echo on original guitar and echo on octave guitar.

Now, if you shut off the original guitar coming out from the Octaver (to get the effect only), the Echo will put out octave guitar and echo on octave guitar, but not echo on original guitar, because no original guitar went into it.

To solve this, I can't think of a mixer guy who cannot replicate at least a few types of delay, from digitally clean to an are-you-frickin-crazy tape-warbling mess. If you tell them you used a "Roland Space Echo with approximately these settings, here's the track with FX and here it is without it" they should be able to get pretty close or even nail it without much effort.

This leaves the Octaver which is more of a specialty. Here's what you do, without the Echo plugin (see above):
- set up a Send on the source track and turn it up to unity
- move the Octaver to the Aux that just got created automatically
- turn down the Octaver's direct signal
- create a track for the Aux
- create a Region on the Aux track and select it (we just duplicate the source Region, which is both quick and dirty at the same time, but don't tell anyone, ok ?)
- Bouncing-In-Place that Region will give you the actual audio on that Aux, i.e. just the octave signal, not the copied Region's content
- mute the Aux so you're not monitoring the Aux and its Bounce at the same time

Should look like this:

bounce.thumb.gif.ac3a1511243d6244d7352a17d7b879a0.gif

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17 minutes ago, fuzzfilth said:

So the Octaver and the Echo are eventually mixed with the original, right?

Now, assuming that the Octaver and the Echo are not something that he can recreate because....reasons, you face a conundrum here.

In normal operation, you feed the original guitar track into the first plugin, say, the Octaver. Original guitar and octave guitar come out from this and go into the Echo, which turns these two into original guitar, octave guitar, echo on original guitar and echo on octave guitar.

Now, if you shut off the original guitar coming out from the Octaver (to get the effect only), the Echo will put out octave guitar and echo on octave guitar, but not echo on original guitar, because no original guitar went into it.

To solve this, I can't think of a mixer guy who cannot replicate at least a few types of delay, from digitally clean to an are-you-frickin-crazy tape-warbling mess. If you tell them you used a "Roland Space Echo with approximately these settings, here's the track with FX and here it is without it" they should be able to get pretty close or even nail it without much effort.

This leaves the Octaver which is more of a specialty. Here's what you do, without the Echo plugin (see above):
- set up a Send on the source track and turn it up to unity
- move the Octaver to the Aux that just got created automatically
- turn down the Octaver's direct signal
- create a track for the Aux
- create a Region on the aux and select it (we just duplicate the source Region, which is both quick and dirty at the same time, but don't tell anyone, ok ?)
- Bouncing-In-Place that Region will give you the actual audio on that Aux, i.e. just the octave signal, not the copied Region's content

Should look like this:

bounce.thumb.gif.ac3a1511243d6244d7352a17d7b879a0.gif

Yes, FX mixed with original dry tracks. I did it! Thanks so much. 

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