David Nahmani Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 macOS Ventura will be out later today (expected release time around 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time): https://www.apple.com/macos/ventura/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 outside of one significant bug (if you try to overwrite a bounced mix, logic crashes), it's a great OS. all my 3rd-party plugins work, and am getting a lot done in logic. my own workaround for the bug (until a logic update fixes it): i append a '2' (or '3' etc) to the bounced file name, so i don't attempt to overwrite an earlier bounce. simple enough, for now. good luck to all who dive in today 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) How's the System Preferences app now on the release version? By all accounts, it's still bad, just not as terrible as in the betas... What are the improvements for you that make it worthwhile upgrading, in your opinion? Edited October 24, 2022 by des99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, des99 said: How's the System Preferences app now on the release version? By all accounts, it's still bad, just not as terrible as in the betas... i've never had a problem with it (thru the beta cycle). like all change, it took getting used to. but i think it's fine; it feels like a more-mature and 'logical' way to deal with system 'settings'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, fisherking said: i've never had a problem with it (thru the beta cycle). I was seeing all kinds of examples with it's design (mostly via Apple design nerds on Twitter) and it was truly awful, unfinished, and looking and working really rough in many ways. While I sort of like the traditional system prefs, I do also feel it's always been a bit of a confusing mess so I have no fundamental problem with them rethinking it. However, while it's logical for them to want to apply the iOS preferences system, going for a more unified interface that iOS-familiar people will be used to, it's shown often that applying an iOS-designed form factor onto the Mac is less than elegant - eg, the vertical alert boxes, which totally make sense on iOS but on the Mac, and almost permanently landscape device, they make no sense and look really ugly. Anyway, from what I've seen via socials, some of the clunkiness (in both layout, and bugs) have been cleaned up a bit at least, and at the end of the day, it's not a deal breaker anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, des99 said: I was seeing all kinds of examples with it's design (mostly via Apple design nerds on Twitter) and it was truly awful, unfinished, and looking and working really rough in many ways. While I sort of like the traditional system prefs, I do also feel it's always been a bit of a confusing mess so I have no fundamental problem with them rethinking it. However, while it's logical for them to want to apply the iOS preferences system, going for a more unified interface that iOS-familiar people will be used to, it's shown often that applying an iOS-designed form factor onto the Mac is less than elegant - eg, the vertical alert boxes, which totally make sense on iOS but on the Mac, and almost permanently landscape device, they make no sense and look really ugly. Anyway, from what I've seen via socials, some of the clunkiness (in both layout, and bugs) have been cleaned up a bit at least, and at the end of the day, it's not a deal breaker anyway... to be honest, i've been fine with it all along (took about a week to get used to it). it's definitely been improved thu the beta cycle, and now seems, again, more 'mature' than the previous iterations. either way, we don't spend a lot of time there, and the built-in search function helps learning one's way around. at this point, the older system preferences seems cartoonish, clunky. finally, it is the way it is, and, as with all changes in the OS, in logic, etc... we adapt 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 real question is when is the next Logic update.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 LiquidSonics have issued a Ventura-compatibility update for their Reverberate 3, which fixes a graphics glitch on Ventura... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guavadude Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Wonder if it retains the orientation of dual monitors now? Half the time I have to open system prefs and re-arrange the monitors and assign MAIN to the correct one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) (Credit: MacRumors) Edited October 24, 2022 by des99 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I can't remember...how easy is it to revert back to Monterey 12.6 if Ventura is an issue? I wanted to try Ventura out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, des99 said: (Credit: MacRumors) LOVE IT! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, deckard1 said: how easy is it to revert back to Monterey 12.6 if Ventura is an issue? I don't actually know, at this time. In the old days, we'd mirror our system drive, upgrade, then if it went bad, we could revert the drive from the backup. On Arm Macs & Monterey etc, the system is split into two, a protected system system partition, and the non-protected, upgradeable system files (your root library, apps, home folders etc) and while I can backup my system drive (and do do so), I'm not entirely clear on the process to revert to a previous system and your restore your own backup. It might be that, eg SuperDuper handles all this transparently - I know they had a hard time figuring this out, and maybe it will all just work like it used to - but I'm not sure offhand. I need to find out at some point, it's just a bunch of knowledge I haven't needed to research and find out, at the risk of potentially trashing my system etc). Edited October 24, 2022 by des99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Notes Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Of course its early days, but those who have tried both Ventura and Monterey, which do you think is better performance wise for Logic Users? Ive been reading about some issues that have plagued Monterey. Native Instruments are slow. There's zero support under Ventura, maybe thats excpected, but they dont even have full support under Monterey yet. Reaktor is NOT officially supported and there are a quite a lot of plugins dependant on Reaktor. https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014900358-Compatibility-of-Native-Instruments-Products-on-macOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcperi Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I've Tested Logic from version 10.2.4 till 10.7.4 with Ventura below the video link: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, des99 said: I don't actually know, at this time. In the old days, we'd mirror our system drive, upgrade, then if it went bad, we could revert the drive from the backup. On Arm Macs & Monterey etc, the system is split into two, a protected system system partition, and the non-protected, upgradeable system files (your root library, apps, home folders etc) and while I can backup my system drive (and do do so), I'm not entirely clear on the process to revert to a previous system and your restore your own backup. It might be that, eg SuperDuper handles all this transparently - I know they had a hard time figuring this out, and maybe it will all just work like it used to - but I'm not sure offhand. I need to find out at some point, it's just a bunch of knowledge I haven't needed to research and find out, at the risk of potentially trashing my system etc). Obviously better to wait then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olavsu1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, deckard1 said: I can't remember...how easy is it to revert back to Monterey 12.6 if Ventura is an issue? I wanted to try Ventura out. it's simple, but costs some time. One requirement. You must have your monterey backup! othervise you must reinstall all your app's. boot your mac to recovery mode. in disk utility: erase system disk. called: Macintoch HD. othervise you can reinstall ventura 😉 then you can renistall monterey. after reinstall you can migrate your apps and data from backup. voilah. //I just finished my system restore Edited October 25, 2022 by olavsu1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Seems Final Cut Pro, Motion and Compressor have been updated on the App Store a few hours ago... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, des99 said: Seems Final Cut Pro, Motion and Compressor have been updated on the App Store a few hours ago... and hopefully logic next... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jope Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just downloaded it... Hmmm. Ventura still finds my old Edirol FA-101 (system profiler), but it doesn't know it's an audio interface... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckard1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, olavsu1 said: it's simple, but costs some time. One requirement. You must have your monterey backup! othervise you must reinstall all your app's. boot your mac to recovery mode. in disk utility: erase system disk. called: Macintoch HD. othervise you can reinstall ventura 😉 then you can renistall monterey. after reinstall you can migrate your apps and data from backup. voilah. //I just finished my system restore If I upgraded to Ventura, would Time Machine suffice as a backup for Monterey? I've got an external SSD I save my backups on. Edited October 25, 2022 by deckard1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olavsu1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, deckard1 said: If I upgraded to Ventura, would Time Machine suffice as a backup for Monterey? I've got an external SSD I save my backups on. No. //I was trying that. i get error. reinstall monterey first. You can olny migrate (with Migrate assistant) from backup reinstalling monterey is finised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 depending on where you started... can't you do an internet recovery? i thought, if you reinstall your OS that way, it installs either the OS your mac came with, or the one you were running... am not sure, but otherwise... google this. maybe not simple, but there lots of people who revert to previous OSes, so there are paths to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozinga Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Office stuff and iMovie also got updated. Only us orphans left 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 and ventura beta 13.1 is up too already.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, xgman said: and ventura beta 13.1 is up too already.. ha (altho the public beta probably wednesday or thursday). but to think, for 5 days, i was on the 'official' OS release... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just20 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) Logic update with Spatial Audio 10.7.3 was in March right? Maybe new update in January with NAM, problem is nobody knows😀 And then the question is whether it will be an exciting update. Edited October 26, 2022 by just20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, just20 said: Logic update with Spatial Audio 10.7.3 was in March right? Logic 10.7.0 on October 18, 2021 was the one that brought Spatial Audio: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just20 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, David Nahmani said: Logic 10.7.0 on October 18, 2021 was the one that brought Spatial Audio: Thanks! A while ago already. After that only bug fixes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozinga Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 hours ago, just20 said: And then the question is whether it will be an exciting update. 10.5 in 2020 was the last exciting update for me 🙂 Which actually made me return to Logic after a long period of time.(Have not used it after 9) 10.6 was mainly Apple Silicon and 10.7 was Spatial Audio which is a niche in generel use and I belive had to be done under the pressure of Apple's big Spatial campaign. Otherwise we would have seen more general features and improvement updates. But I am glad that at least it is out of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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