davidsimivalley Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Hi I have tried a few plugins some spitfire some native instruments for piano. I get an inconsistent pedal when I record with the pedal. The midi will just cut the pedal on some chords and keep it for others. Also I find if I stop playing the track and instantly start from the same position the pedal is magically back. As you can imagine this is very frustrating so hopefully there is a very simple solution. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Does that also happen if using a Logic’s software instrument, with similar preset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsimivalley Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Hi yes I get the same result with logic's piano as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, davidsimivalley said: Hi yes I get the same result with logic's piano as well. Can you hear the inconsistencies upon playing back the recording? If you do then please attach a project with such a recording and let us know exactly where you're hearing something wrong, so that one of us can have a listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsimivalley Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Here is a project where I recorded with pedal and it is not in the midi as I played piano pedal issue.logicx.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution David Nahmani Posted January 31 Solution Share Posted January 31 I see only a pedal release event after you've finished playing (in bar 13). Make sure you press record first, then press on the Sustain pedal. Try pressing and releasing the pedal a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsimivalley Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 31 minutes ago, David Nahmani said: I see only a pedal release event after you've finished playing (in bar 13). Make sure you press record first, then press on the Sustain pedal. Try pressing and releasing the pedal a few times. Thank you that might have been it it seems to be working. It's confusing because when I play I hear the peddle but I guess the midi wasnt getting the information if I didnt press the pedal at the right time as you mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Yes for example if the sequence is: You press the pedal, Recording begins, You play some notes, You release the pedal, Recording stops. The pedal pressed in #1 sends a sustain event to the instrument that sustains the notes you play in #3 so they sound sustain while you play them, however that sustain event is not recorded, which means that upon playback, the notes are not sustained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmowday Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 For the record, I find I get quite a few CC64 (Sustain) inconsistencies too. I often have hung notes etc. I feel that more often than not the way I've played the sustain pedal and the way it plays back is inconsistent. Been like that for years,.....across many hardware pedals too. I've just had to live with it! (I've also always had "chase sustain on") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, hmowday said: For the record, I find I get quite a few CC64 (Sustain) inconsistencies too. I often have hung notes etc. I feel that more often than not the way I've played the sustain pedal and the way it plays back is inconsistent. Inconsistencies due to CC64 are typical of a sequence similar to the one I shared earlier in this thread. This is normally easy to troubleshoot by looking at the CC64 events in the Event List, so you don't have to live with it. For example a hung note is the result of sending a note on event but no note off. An infinite sustaining note is the result of sending a sustain on event with no sustain off event. An exemple recording sequence would be: Recording starts. You press the sustain pedal. You play some notes. Recording stops. You release the sustain pedal. If you get an inconsistency that you can't troubleshoot on your own then I invite you to attach the file so that we can have a look. Best to start a new topic for it when this happens, as this one is now marked as solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsimivalley Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 4 hours ago, hmowday said: For the record, I find I get quite a few CC64 (Sustain) inconsistencies too. I often have hung notes etc. I feel that more often than not the way I've played the sustain pedal and the way it plays back is inconsistent. Been like that for years,.....across many hardware pedals too. I've just had to live with it! (I've also always had "chase sustain on") I'm very new to all this but it just seems to me that is one thing that would work perfectly with what these DAWs can do! 4 hours ago, David Nahmani said: Inconsistencies due to CC64 are typical of a sequence similar to the one I shared earlier in this thread. This is normally easy to troubleshoot by looking at the CC64 events in the Event List, so you don't have to live with it. For example a hung note is the result of sending a note on event but no note off. An infinite sustaining note is the result of sending a sustain on event with no sustain off event. An exemple recording sequence would be: Recording starts. You press the sustain pedal. You play some notes. Recording stops. You release the sustain pedal. If you get an inconsistency that you can't troubleshoot on your own then I invite you to attach the file so that we can have a look. Best to start a new topic for it when this happens, as this one is now marked as solved. Thank you for all this information, I'm going to test all of that today so I can get a solid result or near solid when I use pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) I also noticed that sometimes, after editing some notes events (positions), the CC64 (sustain on/off positions) aren’t always following accordingly. That, sometimes leading to such oddities… @David Nahmani’s suggestion to inspect the Event List editor is the only way I know to sort out those issues. Edited February 1 by Atlas007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enossified Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 16 hours ago, Atlas007 said: I also noticed that sometimes, after editing some notes events (positions), the CC64 (sustain on/off positions) aren’t always following accordingly. I've made such edits in the event list and found that for some instruments when the CC64 event is too close to the note on event, it is ignored. That surprised me. For deacdes when using hardware instruments I never saw that but it's probably because the serial nature of external MIDI guarantees the CC64 message always precedes the note event by a few milliseconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 16 minutes ago, enossified said: I've made such edits in the event list and found that for some instruments when the CC64 event is too close to the note on event, it is ignored. If that occurs when the CC64 event comes earlier than the Note On this would be a bad bug. Please post a project in which this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enossified Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Polanoid, I have no current projects that do this. The last time it happened, I spent a few hours poking around in the list editor, undo-ing and re-recording, etc. until it finally worked properly. Just another of those annoying intermittent bugs that go away if you open a fresh project, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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