Logic has 362 Drum Kits, and who knows how many kit pieces, but...

[Nunstummy]

I've been doing a kind of inventory check of Logic 10.7.7 and come to realize there are a lot more drum kits than advertised.

Drum Kit Designer (20)

Drum Synth (72)

Ultrabeat (100)

Drum Machine Designer (170)

The kits shown in the library browser are less than the presets of each of the drum instruments and I'm not sure if some of the library content is shared between drum instruments.  However, just browsing through the list of kits in DMD, makes me second guess why I bother to create my own kits from my sample library, when I've barely tried the 170 kits already included?  In fact, I'm sure I've created an 808 and 707 kit from free samples I downloaded, that might not be as good as the delivered DMD 808 and 707!  Crazy!

But... can the 100 Ultrabeat kits be used outside of Ultrabeat?  I don't see them in the library browser at all?  I realize Ultrabeat is older but I presume there are still Logic users that like those kits and kit pieces.  Is there a way to export Ultrabeat kits to DMD?

But, but... also, Is there a way to open more than the 20 acoustic kits in Drum Kit Designer, like the 170 "Electric Kits" for DMD?  When Apple added the Producer + kits (30) it looked like Drum Kit Designer was offering more kits, but in fact, many were just augmenting the original 20.  So, in my case, I tend to only ever use the Producer + kits and skip the original 20.  I finding it tough to understand the future of Drum Kit Designer, now that DMD exists.

But... I don't use the library browser much, as I prefer to select presets and saved kits from inside the instrument.  I've been confused why the 170 DMD kits are under the heading "Electronic Kits" when these kits are not 'synth drums' but sampled drums.  The heading makes me think those kits are synthesized electronic drums, when really they could be anything, depending on the samples used - many of them acoustic samples. Rant done.

[ManFromNapa]

WOW!  That's a lot!

[des99]

On 2/9/2023 at 9:12 PM, Nunstummy said:

But... can the 100 Ultrabeat kits be used outside of Ultrabeat?  I don't see them in the library browser at all?  I realize Ultrabeat is older but I presume there are still Logic users that like those kits and kit pieces.  Is there a way to export Ultrabeat kits to DMD?

They show up in the browser the same as any other plugins' content - load Ultrabeat, focus the library on Ultrabeat, and you'll see it's content show up in the browser.

Just like you can't generally load a patch for Sculpture into RetroSynth, an Ultrabeat voice consists of a drum-specific synthesis engine, and/or a sample. That voice (or collection of voices in a kit), needs the Ultrabeat engine to play it.

There's nothing to stop you adding Ultrabeat to DMD kit voices though if you want to use some specific sounds, that the newer drum synth components in DMD can't achieve for you.

On 2/9/2023 at 9:12 PM, Nunstummy said:

But, but... also, Is there a way to open more than the 20 acoustic kits in Drum Kit Designer, like the 170 "Electric Kits" for DMD?

Similar as above - Drum Kit Designer is a multi-sampled, round-robin acoustic drum playback instrument (it's Sampler under the hood). You can add Samplers to DMD (I think by default it uses Quick Sampler for sample playback, and Quick Sampler doesn't have all the multisampling and round-robin stuff of the full sampler).

On 2/9/2023 at 9:12 PM, Nunstummy said:

I finding it tough to understand the future of Drum Kit Designer, now that DMD exists.

They are quite different. One is an interface on deep sampled drum kits, the other is a way to quickly put together beat kits of simple samples. You wouldn't use DMD generally to create highly detailed acoustic drum kit parts with multiple round-robins etc, you'd do that in Sampler - DMD doesn't offer anything here.

On 2/9/2023 at 9:12 PM, Nunstummy said:

But... I don't use the library browser much, as I prefer to select presets and saved kits from inside the instrument.  I've been confused why the 170 DMD kits are under the heading "Electronic Kits" when these kits are not 'synth drums' but sampled drums.  The heading makes me think those kits are synthesized electronic drums, when really they could be anything, depending on the samples used - many of them acoustic samples. Rant done.

"Electronic" is a wide ranging term... I mean, there's kits in there sampled from drum machines, who's original design was all about sounding as "acoustic" as possible (eg, LinnDrum).

Stuff has to be grouped somehow, you might have chosen a different scheme, but Apple did what they did and they usually make some kind of sense. If you want to organise the content differently for your own reasons, you are free to do that...

Edited February 12 by des99

[Nunstummy]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:14 PM, des99 said:

They show up in the browser the same as any other plugins' content - load Ultrabeat, focus the library on Ultrabeat, and you'll see it's content show up in the browser

I still need a little clarity on this.... I count 110 Ultrabeat Kits by folder in /Library/Application Support/Logic/ Ultrabeat Samples/   Each folder has anywhere from 25 - 100 *.aif files that make up the kit.  We're talking roughly 3600 kit piece samples.  But, I don't see those kit names or sample files in the main Library... even when Ultrabeat is the track instrument.

If I wanted to create a DMD kit using the samples of an Ultrabeat kit, I could drag the 25 - 100 kit pieces for a given Ultrabeat kit into a blank DMD.  I realize, I'd be missing all the Ultrabeat synth config - I would just have the raw samples.  Has Apple/Logic ever provided a more direct approach to converting an Ultrabeat kit to DMD?

Samples in the kit "Analog Techno Kit".... 25 *.aif files

One more thing... I found the location of the Ultrabeat kits and samples, but not sure where the DMD delivered kits and kit pieces are stored? {not the user defined kits - I know where those are}

 

[des99]

On 2/18/2023 at 1:55 AM, Nunstummy said:

I still need a little clarity on this.... But, I don't see those kit names or sample files in the main Library... even when Ultrabeat is the track instrument.

Logic is consistent in this regard. The Library browser is to browse and select from sounds/presets/patches/plugin settings from both the factory content, and any of your user-generated content.

If you don't have a plugin focused, then the Library browser shows you all content that applies to the current track type.

If you *do* have a plugin focused, then it shows you all the presets/settings for that plugin.

So, if you have, say "Sampler" focused, Logic shows you all the Sampler Instruments for it. With Alchemy focused, it will show you Alchemy patches. With Ultrabeat selected, it will show you Ultrabeat kits - these are all the formats that the plugin saves.

You'll notice that if you focus on Sampler, what *doesn't* happen is the Library browser shows you, along with all the sampler instruments, *any audio file on your computer* just because you could load those into an instance of Sampler. This would be confusing, and wouldn't work anyway, as an audio file doesn't contain the state of the Sampler instance. Same with Alchemy, Ultrabeat and so on.

In short, the Library browser isn't intended to replace a file browser when you want to import content into a plugin, it's to show you the saved settings of that plugin. It's for saving/loading finished sounds, not for helping you *create* new sounds or any assets a plugin can import.

Now in Ultrabeat, when you go to import an Ultrabeat sound, that browser (when you click on Logic in Ultrabeat will show your Ultrabeat sounds, samples and so on, just like Alchemy, Sampler etc when you add audio files, as loading samples is a different thing to saving the plugin state as a finished preset.

Edited February 20 by des99

[Nunstummy]

On 2/19/2023 at 9:43 AM, des99 said:

If you don't have a plugin focused, then the Library browser shows you all content that applies to the current track type.

If you *do* have a plugin focused, then it shows you all the presets/settings for that plugin.

Here's a new Logic project with only 1 track with Ultrabeat in focus.  The library shows the usual list of sounds, but not the drum kits in Ultrabeat.

For example "Asian Kit" can't be found anywhere in the Library.

I'm trying to convert or open an Ultrabeat kit in DMD.  The only method I've found that will work, is to play every note, piece, then bounce the audio, and drag the resulting audio file to create a new DMD kit and rely on the transient detection to separate all the pieces, then label each part and save the DMD as a new kit.

[des99]

11 minutes ago, Nunstummy said:

Here's a new Logic project with only 1 track with Ultrabeat in focus. 

No it's not, I can clearly see the little blue arrow is pointing to the Channel Strip, not Ultrabeat.

As explained above, this is why you are currently seeing content applicable for the current track type. (Orchestral, Quick Sampler, Synthesizer - all instrument content).

To see content for the *plugin*, you need to focus the Library on the *plugin*. If you do this, as previously mentioned, you'll see just the Ultrabeat kits.

(If you're not sure how, you click just to the left of the Ultrabeat plugin insert so the blue arrow points to Ultrabeat - now the Library is focused on that particular plugin).

Edited February 23 by des99

[Nunstummy]

12 minutes ago, des99 said:

To see content for the *plugin*, you need to focus the Library on the *plugin*. If you do this, as previously mentioned, you'll see just the Ultrabeat kits

Thanks - I'm embarrassed. 20 years of using Logic and I never notices that little blue arrow on the channel strip.  I guess when you open a plugin, the blue arrow defaults to 'Settings'.  This is one of those simple things I should have learned 20 years ago, but quite frankly, I don't use the Library browser very much, and select presets from the plugin drop down menu's itself. [that sounds like an excuse for being dumb!]

 

[des99]

No worries - it's not the most obvious mechanic in Logic (and so few people read the manuals these days anyway! 😉 )

This kind of thing is partly what this forum is for - to share things that are obvious for some, and not for others, so we all get to learn our tools better.

I generally think the Library is rather under-developed altogether, but there we are...

[Nunstummy]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:14 PM, des99 said:

There's nothing to stop you adding Ultrabeat to DMD kit voices though if you want to use some specific sounds, that the newer drum synth components in DMD can't achieve for you.

Any idea where those Ultrabeat kits and sample are stored?

I'm still looking for an effective way to bring Ultrabeat kits into DMD - other than the convert audio first method.

[des99]

/Library/Application Support/Logic/

In there you'll see folders like, eg "Ultrabeat Samples", "Sampler Instruments", "Samples" and so on - it should be fairly straightforward to explore. Also you have Channel Strip Settings/Instrument/04 Drums & Percussion/03 Ultrabeat Drum Kits/ and Plugin Settings/Ultrabeat/ so on.

But all the factory content, bar the loop content, is here.

[Nunstummy]

6 minutes ago, des99 said:

/Library/Application Support/Logic/

In there you'll see folders like, eg "Ultrabeat Samples", "Sampler Instruments", "Samples" and so on - it should be fairly straightforward to explore. Also you have Channel Strip Settings/Instrument/04 Drums & Percussion/03 Ultrabeat Drum Kits/ and Plugin Settings/Ultrabeat/ so on.

Thanks!  Yes - most *.aif files.  Unfortunately, the file names are not overly descriptive so dragging them into DMD still requires some work manually labelling and organizing the kit pieces.

So, there are pros and cons to building a DMD kits from Ultrabeat.

1. If I convert an Ultrabeat kit by playing each note, bouncing to audio, then dragging the audio into DMD for transient detection, I get the FXs and synth tweaks added by Ultrabeat.

2. If I drag the source *.aif files into DMD, I get the raw samples - minus Ultrabeat FXs and tweaks.

Either method requires some manual labelling and sorting of the kit pieces.  Not too bad if you just have a few Ultrabeat kits you need/want in DMD.

I've gone through a similar process for converting Battery kits to DMD.  I'm really trying to standardize all my fav drum kits in DMD, regardless of whether the source samples came from Ultrabeat, Battery, Playbeat or XO or some other drum machine software.  Skeptics ask me "why?" and that's a good question, without a reasonable answer.
 

[des99]

Probably a similar reason I save out a gajillion plugin presets to Logic presets. We just want it that way for our own reasons. 🙂

[anp27]

On 2/10/2023 at 5:12 AM, Nunstummy said:

Drum Synth (72)

Drum Synth has kits? On my computer I'm only seeing separate kit pieces for each component: Hats/Cymbals, Kicks, Snares/Claps, Percussion.

[Nunstummy]

3 hours ago, anp27 said:

Drum Synth has kits?

If I said that, I might have misspoke. I not aware of any kits for Drum Synth.

[anp27]

18 hours ago, Nunstummy said:

If I said that, I might have misspoke. I not aware of any kits for Drum Synth.

Right, there are no Drum Synth kits. 

I was curious about this topic so I decided to look into it myself. As of version 10.7.9 and with the complete Sound Library installed, here's what I found:

 

Drum Kit Designer (20)

1. Blue Ridge
2. Bluebird
3. Brooklyn
4. Detroit Garage
5. East Bay
6. Four on the Floor
7. Heavy
8. Liverpool
9. Manchester
10. Motown Revisited
11. Neo Soul
12. Portland
13. Retro Rock
14. Roots
15. Scientific Method
16. Slow Jam
17. Smash
18. SoCal
19. Speakeasy
20. Sunset

Ultrabeat (115 including the Legacy kits)

1. Adept Machine
2. African Kit
3. Analog Techno Kit
4. Asian Kit
5. Big Beat Remix Kit
6. Boutique 78
7. Boutique 808
8. Boutique 909
9. Boutique SP12
10. Breaks Remix Kit
11. Broken Beat Kit 01
12. Broken Beat Kit 02
13. Classic Dub Kit 01
14. Classic Dub Kit 02
15. Classic Electro Kit
16. Classic Hip Hop Remix Kit
17. Classic Techno Kit
18. Classic UK Hip Hop
19. Deep House Kit
20. Downtempo Kit 01
21. Downtempo Kit 02
22. Drag & Drop Samples
23. Drum & Bass Kit 01
24. Drum & Bass Kit 02
25. Dub Smash
26. Electro Bump
27. Electro House Kit
28. Electronic Dub Kit
29. Epic Electro
30. Fizzy Beats
31. Funk Boogie Kit
32. Ghost Town Kit
33. Grimy 909
34. Gritty Funk
35. Hip Hop 90s Kit
36. Hip Hop Heavy Kit
37. Hip Hop Kit
38. Hip Hop Sly Kit
39. Hip Hop Tech Kit
40. Hit Machine
41. Human Beat Box
42. IDM Elements 01
43. IDM Elements 02
44. IDM Kit 01
45. IDM Kit 02
46. Indian & Middle Eastern Kit
47. Indie Disco
48. Indie Live Kit
49. Italo Disco
50. Latin Kit
51. Lofi Glitch
52. Low Down Dub
53. Major Crush
54. Massive Beat
55. Minimal Electro Kit
56. Minimal Glitch
57. Minimal Hip Hop Kit
58. Minimal Kit 01
59. Minimal Kit 02
60. Minimalistic
61. Modern Club
62. Modern Machines
63. Nouveaux Disco Kit
64. Nu School Breaks Kit
65. Old School Funk Remix Kit
66. Paris House Remix Kit
67. Pop RoB Kit
68. Progressive House Kit
69. Pure Analog 01
70. Pure Analog 02
71. Retro Machines
72. RB Lo Fi Kit
73. RB Remix Kit
74. Side Chain Gate
75. Side Chain Processor
76. Steely Beats
77. Studio Brush Kit
78. Studio Tight Kit
79. Synth Box
80. Techno 808
81. Trance Kit 01
82. Trance Kit 02
83. Trance Remix Kit
84. Trip Hop Remix Kit
85. Unreal Acoustic
86. Vintage 08 Kit
87. Vintage 09 Kit
88. Vintage Machines
89. Vox Box
90. 2-Step Kit
91. Analog Electro Kit
92. Berlin Electro Kit
93. Break-Beat Kit
94. Chillout Kit
95. Deep Trance Kit
96. Electro-Breaks Kit
97. Elektro Phunk Kit
98. Funk Kit
99. Hardcore Electro Kit
100. Hip-Hop Kit 1
101. Hip-Hop Kit 2
102. Industrial Kit
103. Listening Trance Kit
104. Modern Pop Kit
105. Planet Electro Kit
106. Pop Kit
107. RB Kit
108. Rock Kit
109. Soft-Rock Kit
110. Soul Kit
111. Technoir Kit 1
112. Technoir Kit 2
113. Trance Kit
114. UK House Kit
115. Underground House Kit

Drum Machine Designer (179)

1. 808 Flex
2. Above and Beyond
3. Absolute Zero
4. Abstract Thought 
5. Acoustic Bump
6. Advanced Machines
7. After Party
8. Agogo Funk
9. Alphabet City
10. Amped Up
11. Analog Architecture 
12. Analog Blaze 
13. Analog Bliss 
14. Analog Circuits
15. Analog Dream 
16. Analog Drive 
17. Analog Haze 
18. Analog Traces 
19. Arcade Frenzy 
20. Atlanta
21. Autumn Leaves
22. Battle Blocks 
23. Beat Machine
24. Big Bang
25. Big Bump
26. Big Room
27. Birdland Calls
28. Blazing Hot
29. Blowing Speakers
30. Boom Bap
31. Bright Bass House
32. Brooklyn Borough
33. Brooklyn Feels
34. Bumper
35. Burlington
36. Chopped Up
37. Chrome
38. Cinematic Funk
39. Clicks and Sticks
40. Compact
41. Console Operator 
42. Control Voltage
43. CR-78 Made Iconic 
44. Crate Digger
45. Cream Soda 
46. Dark Arts
47. Dark Secrets
48. Deep Bass House
49. Deep Blue
50. Deep Crunch
51. Deep End
52. Deep Mystery
53. Deep Tech
54. Dembow
55. Depth Charge
56. Doing Science
57. Double Vision
58. Dropkick
59. Drum Synth Kit
60. Dust Bowl
61. Dusty Road
62. East Side Dreams
63. Electronic Pop
64. Empty Kit
65. Fluid Shadow
66. Found Sound
67. Futura
68. Future Breaks
69. Future Flex
70. Grimey Funk
71. H-Town Fire
72. Hacienda
73. Hard Bass House
74. Hard Bounce
75. Hard Knock
76. Hard Knocking
77. Heavy Bass House
78. Hillsborough
79. Hit Synth
80. Hollywood Foley 
81. Hybrid Grime
82. Hybrid Knock
83. Ibiza
84. In The Kitchen
85. Infinity
86. Interchange
87. Jagged Edges
88. Jazz Vanguard
89. Laser Battle
90. LinnDrum Tuned Down 
91. LinnDrum
92. Live Feel
93. Lo-Fi Feels
94. Lo-Fi Funk
95. Lo-Fi Hype
96. LowTech Funk 
97. Metallic Edges
98. Micro Modular 
99. Midnight Sillage
100. Midtown Summer
101. Minimalist 
102. Mixed Boom Bap
103. Mixed Up
104. Modern 808
105. Modern 909
106. Modern Chiptune 
107. Modern CR-8000
108. Modern Disco
109. Modern Knock
110. Modern Throwback
111. Modern TR-707
112. Modern TR-727
113. Modular Drop
114. Modular Mayhem
115. Modular Space 
116. Mystic Groove
117. Natural Bass House
118. Natural Structures
119. Neon
120. No Man's Joint
121. Old School 8-Bit 
122. Onyx Club
123. Orion
124. Overdrive Bump
125. Pawn Shop 808 
126. Pile Driver
127. Platinum Dreams 
128. Platinum
129. Plonky Modular 
130. Popping Bits
131. Precious Gems 
132. Prismatica
133. Pulsar
134. Pure House
135. Radiant Flow
136. Radiant
137. Red Line
138. Reel to Reel
139. Retro Box
140. Roland CR-78
141. Roland TR-606
142. Roland TR-808
143. Roland TR-909
144. Rolling Up
145. Sapphire
146. Secret Sauce
147. Seismic
148. Sequential DrumTraks
149. Shadow Zone
150. Silverlake
151. Simmons SDS-V
152. Snapback
153. SoHo
154. Solaris
155. Soul Fire
156. Spaced Out 
157. Studio Cuts
158. Super Natural
159. Super Solid
160. Swirls of Smoke
161. Synthetic Bass House
162. Synthia
163. Tension
164. Thick Heat
165. Tight Trap
166. Titans of Bass
167. Topaz
168. Tough Kit
169. Trap Door
170. Twilight Drive
171. Two Ton Pop
172. Uptown Flow
173. Video Star
174. Vintage Arcade 
175. Vintage Cinema
176. Warm Breeze
177. Warm Embers 
178. Washington
179. West Coast Modular

Sampler (188)

1. Cavern Kit
2. Dry Standard Kit
3. Headbanger Kit
4. Indie Kit Live
5. Indie Kit
6. Jazz Kit
7. Roadhouse Kit
8. Rock Kit
9. Seventies Kit
10. Stereo Drum Kit
11. Studio Brush Kit
12. Studio Heavy Kit
13. Studio Tight Kit
14. Studio Toolkit
15. Warehouse Kit
16. 2-Step Remix
17. 808 Flex Kit
18. Above and Beyond
19. Absolute Zero
20. Abstract Thought
21. Acoustic Bump Kit
22. Advanced Machines
23. Agogo Funk Kit
24. Alphabet City Kit
25. Amped Up Kit
26. Analog Architecture Kit
27. Analog Blaze Kit
28. Analog Bliss Kit
29. Analog Dream Kit
30. Analog Drive Kit
31. Analog Haze Kit
32. Analog Traces Kit
33. Arcade Frenzy Kit
34. Battle Blocks
35. Big Bang Kit
36. Big Beat Remix
37. Big Bump Kit
38. Birdland Cuts
39. Blowing Speakers Kit
40. Breaks Remix
41. Bright Bass House Kit
42. Brooklyn Borough Kit
43. Bumper Kit
44. Burlington Kit
45. Chopped Up Kit
46. Chromatic Kit 1 Crush
47. Chromatic Kit 1 FM
48. Chromatic Kit 1 Stereo
49. Chromatic Kit 2 Crush
50. Chromatic Kit 2 FM
51. Chromatic Kit 2 Stereo
52. Chromatic Kit 3 Crush
53. Chromatic Kit 3 FM
54. Chromatic Kit 3 Stereo
55. Chromatic Kit 4 Crush
56. Chromatic Kit 4 FM
57. Chromatic Kit 4 Stereo
58. Classic Hip Hop Remix
59. Classic House Remix
60. Clicks and Sticks Kit
61. Compact Kit
62. Console Operator
63. Control Voltage Kit
64. CR-78 Made Iconic
65. CR-8000 Processed Kit
66. Dark Arts
67. Dark Secrets Kit
68. Deep Bass House Kit
69. Deep Crunch
70. Deep End Kit
71. Dembow Kit
72. Doing Science
73. Double Vision
74. Drum 'N Bass Remix
75. Dust Bowl Kit
76. Dusty Memories
77. Electro Kit
78. Electroclash Remix
79. Electronic Pop Kit
80. Euro Dance Remix
81. EXS 808
82. EXS 909
83. Fluid Shadow Kit
84. Found Sound Kit
85. Future Breaks Kit
86. Future Flex
87. Goa Remix
88. Grimey Funk Kit
89. H-Town Fire
90. Hacienda Kit
91. Hard Bass House Kit
92. Hard Bounce Kit
93. Hard Knock Kit
94. Hard Knocking Kit
95. Hard Techno Remix
96. Heavy Bass House Kit
97. Hillsborough Kit
98. Hip Hop Remix
99. Hit Synth Kit
100. Hollywood Foley
101. Human Beat Box
102. Human Body Rhythm Effects
103. Human Body Sound Effects
104. Hybrid Grime
105. Hybrid Knock Kit
106. In The Kitchen
107. Infinity Kit
108. Interchange Kit
109. Jagged Edges Kit
110. Laser Battle Kit
111. LinnDrum Processed Kit
112. LinnDrum Tuned Down
113. Live Feel Kit
114. Lo-Fi Feels Kit
115. Lo-Fi Funk Kit
116. Lo-Fi Hype
117. Lo-Fi Remix
118. LowTech Funk
119. Metallic Edges
120. Micro Modular Kit
121. Midnight Vanguard
122. Minimalist Kit
123. Mixed Boom Bap
124. Mixed Up Kit
125. Modern 808
126. Modern 909
127. Modern Chiptune
128. Modern Disco Kit
129. Modern Knock
130. Modern Throwback
131. Modular Drop Kit
132. Modular Mayhem Kit
133. Modular Space Kit
134. Mystic Groove Kit
135. Natural Bass House Kit
136. Natural Structures Kit
137. Old School 8-Bit
138. Old School Funk Remix
139. Overdrive Bump
140. Paris House Remix
141. Pawn Shop 808
142. Platinum Dreams
143. Platinum Kit
144. Plonky Modular Kit
145. Popping Bits
146. Precious Gems Kit
147. Prismatica Kit
148. Pure House Kit
149. R&B Kit
150. R&B Remix
151. Radiant Flow Kit
152. Red Line Kit
153. Retro Box Kit
154. Roland CR-78 Kit
155. Roland CR-78 Processed Kit
156. Roland TR-606 Kit
157. Roland TR-606 Processed Kit
158. Roland TR-808 Kit
159. Roland TR-808 Unprocessed Kit
160. Roland TR-909 Kit
161. Roland TR-909 Unprocessed Kit
162. Secret Sauce
163. Sequential DrumTraks Process...
164. Shadow Zone
165. Simmons SDS-V Processed Kit
166. SoHo Kit
167. Solaris Kit
168. Soul Fire Kit
169. Spaced Out Kit
170. Studio Cuts Kit
171. Super Natural
172. Super Solid Kit
173. Synthetic Bass House Kit
174. Tight Trap Kit
175. Titans of Bass
176. TR-707 Processed Kit
177. TR-727 Processed Kit
178. Trance Remix
179. Tribal Kit
180. Trip Hop Remix
181. Two Ton Pop Kit
182. UK Garage Remix
183. Uptown Flow Kit
184. Vintage Arcade
185. Vintage Beats
186. Warm Embers Kit
187. Washington Kit
188. West Coast Modular Kit

Alchemy (172, all presets tagged with “Drums”)

1. Action Drums
2. Age Of Steam Kit
3. Amanda Mouth Percussion Kit
4. Ancient Starship
5. Backwards Metal
6. Basic Party Boat
7. Bass Noise Cycles
8. Beat Box Battle Kit 01
9. Beat Box Battle Kit 02
10. Beat Box Battle Kit 03
11. Beat Box Battle Kit 04
12. Beat Box Battle Kit 05
13. Beat Box Battle Kit 06
14. Beat Box Battle Kit 07
15. Beat Box Battle Kit 08
16. Beat Box Battle Kit 09
17. Beat Box Battle Kit 10
18. Beat Box Battle Kit 11
19. Beat Box Battle Kit 12
20. Beat Box Battle Kit 13
21. Beat Box Battle Kit 14
22. Beat Box Loops 03
23. Beat Box Parts 01
24. Beat Box Parts 02
25. Beat Box Parts 03
26. Blurry Machinery
27. Boom-Clap
28. Breakbeat Kit Granular
29. Buzz Gong
30. Cod War
31. Compact Kit
32. Crunch Kicks
33. Crushed 808 Bass
34. Cup Of Tea Kit
35. Cutting Through Ice Caves
36. Cymbal FX Kit
37. Dark Times Kit
38. Deep 808 Bass
39. Deep Hit
40. Delay Percussion
41. Demented Percussion
42. Depth Kick
43. Destroyed 808 Bass
44. Dirty Quantum Water Jug
45. Drop
46. Drum Machine Kit
47. Dubstep Designer Kit 01
48. Dubstep Drum Set
49. Dubstep FX Kit 01
50. Echo Percussion
51. EllyAnna Germ Kit
52. Explore Top Drawer
53. Fear of Nature
54. Filter Mod Kits
55. Future Junglist
56. Gesture Drums
57. Gliding 808 Bass
58. Gong Atmosphere
59. Granular Dub Echo
60. Grinding 808 Bass
61. Hammer Kit
62. Hard 808 Bass
63. Heavy 808 Bass
64. Huge Hit
65. Hybrid Electronic Kit
66. Hybrid Kit
67. Ice Fractures Kit
68. Icelandic Choir SFX Kit
69. Impact 808 Bass
70. Impact Effects
71. Kick Synth Pattern
72. Knocked 808 Bass
73. Knocking Percussion
74. Lava Lake
75. Light Space Organic Kit
76. Limber Loop
77. Little Kit
78. Lo-Fi Drive 808 Bass
79. Longevity
80. Low Long Drums
81. Machine Kit
82. Massive 808 Bass
83. Massive Gong
84. Massive Hammer Kit
85. Massive Slam
86. Mega Click Kit
87. Metallic Impact
88. Metallic Percussion
89. Micro Kit
90. Miner Kit
91. Moment Of Impact
92. Monster 808 Bass
93. Mud Flats
94. Mutant Guitar FX Kit
95. Nano Kit
96. Neural Circuitry Remix Kit
97. Neverending Machine
98. Night Sequence
99. Nimble Kit
100. No Flange Beats
101. Overstuffed 808 Bass
102. Pebble Snare
103. Percussion Flurry
104. Percussive Hit
105. Pounding 808 Bass
106. Primal Forces
107. Quicksilver Multi SFX
108. Ragga Man Kit
109. Raw Edge Kit
110. Robotics FX Kit
111. Robotics Kit 01
112. Robotics Kit 02
113. Robotics Kit 03
114. Robotics Kit 04
115. Rock Kicks
116. Rock Percussion
117. Rough Cut Kit
118. Seaweed Glitch Kit
119. Short Cut Kit
120. Short Kit
121. Simple House Beat 02
122. Sine D.N.A.
123. Slight Kit
124. Small Kit
125. Smashed 808 Bass
126. Snap Snare
127. Snappy 808 Bass
128. Solid 808 Bass
129. Songhellir Cave Kit
130. Space Impacts
131. Spiraling Chaos Kit
132. Splash Snare
133. Squeaky 808 Bass
134. Steam Machine Kit
135. Super Sub 808 Bass
136. Sweeping 808 Bass
137. Synthesized Alchemy Kit
138. Synthetic Kit 01
139. Synthetic Kit 02
140. Techno Groove 1
141. Techno Groove 2
142. Thai Tuned Gong
143. The Dark Abyss
144. Thin Kit
145. Thunder Drum Kit
146. Tight Vox Kit
147. Tin Can Hit
148. Tiny Kit
149. Tough 808 Bass
150. Tough Robot Kit
151. Travelling Gong
152. Tremolo Snare
153. Troll Drums
154. Trompong
155. Tuned Cymbals
156. Underground Reservoir Tank FX Kit
157. Vox Beats 12
158. Vox Impact Kit 01
159. Vox Impact Kit 02
160. Vox Kit 01
161. Vox Kit 02
162. Vox Kit 03
163. Vox Kit 04
164. Vox Kit 05
165. Vox Kit 6
166. Vox Kit 7
167. Warning Bell
168. Water Jug Drums
169. Weird Glitches
170. Weird Hollywood Drums
171. Whip Kit
172. Woosh Snaps 

So in total there are 674 drum kits altogether! Yes there's some overlap but still.

 

Edited August 17 by anp27

[Neil Gilmartin]

That might even be enough to keep you going…😁

 

Add to that, of course , all the Apple Loops you can slice up in Quick Sampler and then use as a drum kit, and there’s even more kits available!

 

You have to wonder whether there’s any need for 3rd party at all with that much already there at your fingertips. And yet I still feel an uncomfortable urge to fall prey to the ‘it’s-included-so-it-can’t-be-as-good’ fallacy.

Edited August 17 by Neil Gilmartin

[anp27]

17 minutes ago, Neil Gilmartin said:

Add to that, of course , all the Apple Loops you can slice up in Quick Sampler and then use as a drum kit, and there’s even more kits available!

Exactly! 

[JakobP]

@anp27, I think you left the DKD production kits out... 🙂 

[anp27]

39 minutes ago, JakobP said:

@anp27, I think you left the DKD production kits out... 🙂 

The Drum Kit Designer kits are literally the first things I listed 🙂 

[anp27]

@JakobP No you were right, some overlaps so I removed the duplicate Producer kits, there are 42 unique Drum Kit Designer kits altogether. So now the list is even longer!

Drum Kit Designer (42)

1. Blue Ridge
2. Bluebird
3. Brooklyn
4. Detroit Garage
5. East Bay
6. Four on the Floor
7. Heavy
8. Liverpool
9. Manchester
10. Motown Revisited
11. Neo Soul
12. Portland
13. Retro Rock
14. Roots
15. Scientific Method
16. Slow Jam
17. Smash
18. SoCal
19. Speakeasy
20. Sunset
21. 8-Bit+
22. Demolition+
23. Dirty Jungle+
24. Fake Machine+
25. French Connection+
26. HiFi Pop+
27. NY Garage+
28. Old School+
29. Sixties Soul+
30. Studio R&B+
31. Unmixed+
32. Vintage Breaks+
33. Birch Kit
34. Classic Sixties Kit
35. Modern Maple Kit
36. Pawn Shop Kit
37. Seventies Plexi Kit
38. Stadium Kit
39. Studio Kit
40. Tight Maple Kit
41. Vintage Kit Brushes
42. Vintage Kit Rods

Ultrabeat (115 including the Legacy kits)

1. Adept Machine
2. African Kit
3. Analog Techno Kit
4. Asian Kit
5. Big Beat Remix Kit
6. Boutique 78
7. Boutique 808
8. Boutique 909
9. Boutique SP12
10. Breaks Remix Kit
11. Broken Beat Kit 01
12. Broken Beat Kit 02
13. Classic Dub Kit 01
14. Classic Dub Kit 02
15. Classic Electro Kit
16. Classic Hip Hop Remix Kit
17. Classic Techno Kit
18. Classic UK Hip Hop
19. Deep House Kit
20. Downtempo Kit 01
21. Downtempo Kit 02
22. Drag & Drop Samples
23. Drum & Bass Kit 01
24. Drum & Bass Kit 02
25. Dub Smash
26. Electro Bump
27. Electro House Kit
28. Electronic Dub Kit
29. Epic Electro
30. Fizzy Beats
31. Funk Boogie Kit
32. Ghost Town Kit
33. Grimy 909
34. Gritty Funk
35. Hip Hop 90s Kit
36. Hip Hop Heavy Kit
37. Hip Hop Kit
38. Hip Hop Sly Kit
39. Hip Hop Tech Kit
40. Hit Machine
41. Human Beat Box
42. IDM Elements 01
43. IDM Elements 02
44. IDM Kit 01
45. IDM Kit 02
46. Indian & Middle Eastern Kit
47. Indie Disco
48. Indie Live Kit
49. Italo Disco
50. Latin Kit
51. Lofi Glitch
52. Low Down Dub
53. Major Crush
54. Massive Beat
55. Minimal Electro Kit
56. Minimal Glitch
57. Minimal Hip Hop Kit
58. Minimal Kit 01
59. Minimal Kit 02
60. Minimalistic
61. Modern Club
62. Modern Machines
63. Nouveaux Disco Kit
64. Nu School Breaks Kit
65. Old School Funk Remix Kit
66. Paris House Remix Kit
67. Pop RoB Kit
68. Progressive House Kit
69. Pure Analog 01
70. Pure Analog 02
71. Retro Machines
72. RB Lo Fi Kit
73. RB Remix Kit
74. Side Chain Gate
75. Side Chain Processor
76. Steely Beats
77. Studio Brush Kit
78. Studio Tight Kit
79. Synth Box
80. Techno 808
81. Trance Kit 01
82. Trance Kit 02
83. Trance Remix Kit
84. Trip Hop Remix Kit
85. Unreal Acoustic
86. Vintage 08 Kit
87. Vintage 09 Kit
88. Vintage Machines
89. Vox Box
90. 2-Step Kit
91. Analog Electro Kit
92. Berlin Electro Kit
93. Break-Beat Kit
94. Chillout Kit
95. Deep Trance Kit
96. Electro-Breaks Kit
97. Elektro Phunk Kit
98. Funk Kit
99. Hardcore Electro Kit
100. Hip-Hop Kit 1
101. Hip-Hop Kit 2
102. Industrial Kit
103. Listening Trance Kit
104. Modern Pop Kit
105. Planet Electro Kit
106. Pop Kit
107. RB Kit
108. Rock Kit
109. Soft-Rock Kit
110. Soul Kit
111. Technoir Kit 1
112. Technoir Kit 2
113. Trance Kit
114. UK House Kit
115. Underground House Kit

Drum Machine Designer (179)

1. 808 Flex
2. Above and Beyond
3. Absolute Zero
4. Abstract Thought 
5. Acoustic Bump
6. Advanced Machines
7. After Party
8. Agogo Funk
9. Alphabet City
10. Amped Up
11. Analog Architecture 
12. Analog Blaze 
13. Analog Bliss 
14. Analog Circuits
15. Analog Dream 
16. Analog Drive 
17. Analog Haze 
18. Analog Traces 
19. Arcade Frenzy 
20. Atlanta
21. Autumn Leaves
22. Battle Blocks 
23. Beat Machine
24. Big Bang
25. Big Bump
26. Big Room
27. Birdland Calls
28. Blazing Hot
29. Blowing Speakers
30. Boom Bap
31. Bright Bass House
32. Brooklyn Borough
33. Brooklyn Feels
34. Bumper
35. Burlington
36. Chopped Up
37. Chrome
38. Cinematic Funk
39. Clicks and Sticks
40. Compact
41. Console Operator 
42. Control Voltage
43. CR-78 Made Iconic 
44. Crate Digger
45. Cream Soda 
46. Dark Arts
47. Dark Secrets
48. Deep Bass House
49. Deep Blue
50. Deep Crunch
51. Deep End
52. Deep Mystery
53. Deep Tech
54. Dembow
55. Depth Charge
56. Doing Science
57. Double Vision
58. Dropkick
59. Drum Synth Kit
60. Dust Bowl
61. Dusty Road
62. East Side Dreams
63. Electronic Pop
64. Empty Kit
65. Fluid Shadow
66. Found Sound
67. Futura
68. Future Breaks
69. Future Flex
70. Grimey Funk
71. H-Town Fire
72. Hacienda
73. Hard Bass House
74. Hard Bounce
75. Hard Knock
76. Hard Knocking
77. Heavy Bass House
78. Hillsborough
79. Hit Synth
80. Hollywood Foley 
81. Hybrid Grime
82. Hybrid Knock
83. Ibiza
84. In The Kitchen
85. Infinity
86. Interchange
87. Jagged Edges
88. Jazz Vanguard
89. Laser Battle
90. LinnDrum Tuned Down 
91. LinnDrum
92. Live Feel
93. Lo-Fi Feels
94. Lo-Fi Funk
95. Lo-Fi Hype
96. LowTech Funk 
97. Metallic Edges
98. Micro Modular 
99. Midnight Sillage
100. Midtown Summer
101. Minimalist 
102. Mixed Boom Bap
103. Mixed Up
104. Modern 808
105. Modern 909
106. Modern Chiptune 
107. Modern CR-8000
108. Modern Disco
109. Modern Knock
110. Modern Throwback
111. Modern TR-707
112. Modern TR-727
113. Modular Drop
114. Modular Mayhem
115. Modular Space 
116. Mystic Groove
117. Natural Bass House
118. Natural Structures
119. Neon
120. No Man's Joint
121. Old School 8-Bit 
122. Onyx Club
123. Orion
124. Overdrive Bump
125. Pawn Shop 808 
126. Pile Driver
127. Platinum Dreams 
128. Platinum
129. Plonky Modular 
130. Popping Bits
131. Precious Gems 
132. Prismatica
133. Pulsar
134. Pure House
135. Radiant Flow
136. Radiant
137. Red Line
138. Reel to Reel
139. Retro Box
140. Roland CR-78
141. Roland TR-606
142. Roland TR-808
143. Roland TR-909
144. Rolling Up
145. Sapphire
146. Secret Sauce
147. Seismic
148. Sequential DrumTraks
149. Shadow Zone
150. Silverlake
151. Simmons SDS-V
152. Snapback
153. SoHo
154. Solaris
155. Soul Fire
156. Spaced Out 
157. Studio Cuts
158. Super Natural
159. Super Solid
160. Swirls of Smoke
161. Synthetic Bass House
162. Synthia
163. Tension
164. Thick Heat
165. Tight Trap
166. Titans of Bass
167. Topaz
168. Tough Kit
169. Trap Door
170. Twilight Drive
171. Two Ton Pop
172. Uptown Flow
173. Video Star
174. Vintage Arcade 
175. Vintage Cinema
176. Warm Breeze
177. Warm Embers 
178. Washington
179. West Coast Modular

Sampler (188)

1. Cavern Kit
2. Dry Standard Kit
3. Headbanger Kit
4. Indie Kit Live
5. Indie Kit
6. Jazz Kit
7. Roadhouse Kit
8. Rock Kit
9. Seventies Kit
10. Stereo Drum Kit
11. Studio Brush Kit
12. Studio Heavy Kit
13. Studio Tight Kit
14. Studio Toolkit
15. Warehouse Kit
16. 2-Step Remix
17. 808 Flex Kit
18. Above and Beyond
19. Absolute Zero
20. Abstract Thought
21. Acoustic Bump Kit
22. Advanced Machines
23. Agogo Funk Kit
24. Alphabet City Kit
25. Amped Up Kit
26. Analog Architecture Kit
27. Analog Blaze Kit
28. Analog Bliss Kit
29. Analog Dream Kit
30. Analog Drive Kit
31. Analog Haze Kit
32. Analog Traces Kit
33. Arcade Frenzy Kit
34. Battle Blocks
35. Big Bang Kit
36. Big Beat Remix
37. Big Bump Kit
38. Birdland Cuts
39. Blowing Speakers Kit
40. Breaks Remix
41. Bright Bass House Kit
42. Brooklyn Borough Kit
43. Bumper Kit
44. Burlington Kit
45. Chopped Up Kit
46. Chromatic Kit 1 Crush
47. Chromatic Kit 1 FM
48. Chromatic Kit 1 Stereo
49. Chromatic Kit 2 Crush
50. Chromatic Kit 2 FM
51. Chromatic Kit 2 Stereo
52. Chromatic Kit 3 Crush
53. Chromatic Kit 3 FM
54. Chromatic Kit 3 Stereo
55. Chromatic Kit 4 Crush
56. Chromatic Kit 4 FM
57. Chromatic Kit 4 Stereo
58. Classic Hip Hop Remix
59. Classic House Remix
60. Clicks and Sticks Kit
61. Compact Kit
62. Console Operator
63. Control Voltage Kit
64. CR-78 Made Iconic
65. CR-8000 Processed Kit
66. Dark Arts
67. Dark Secrets Kit
68. Deep Bass House Kit
69. Deep Crunch
70. Deep End Kit
71. Dembow Kit
72. Doing Science
73. Double Vision
74. Drum 'N Bass Remix
75. Dust Bowl Kit
76. Dusty Memories
77. Electro Kit
78. Electroclash Remix
79. Electronic Pop Kit
80. Euro Dance Remix
81. EXS 808
82. EXS 909
83. Fluid Shadow Kit
84. Found Sound Kit
85. Future Breaks Kit
86. Future Flex
87. Goa Remix
88. Grimey Funk Kit
89. H-Town Fire
90. Hacienda Kit
91. Hard Bass House Kit
92. Hard Bounce Kit
93. Hard Knock Kit
94. Hard Knocking Kit
95. Hard Techno Remix
96. Heavy Bass House Kit
97. Hillsborough Kit
98. Hip Hop Remix
99. Hit Synth Kit
100. Hollywood Foley
101. Human Beat Box
102. Human Body Rhythm Effects
103. Human Body Sound Effects
104. Hybrid Grime
105. Hybrid Knock Kit
106. In The Kitchen
107. Infinity Kit
108. Interchange Kit
109. Jagged Edges Kit
110. Laser Battle Kit
111. LinnDrum Processed Kit
112. LinnDrum Tuned Down
113. Live Feel Kit
114. Lo-Fi Feels Kit
115. Lo-Fi Funk Kit
116. Lo-Fi Hype
117. Lo-Fi Remix
118. LowTech Funk
119. Metallic Edges
120. Micro Modular Kit
121. Midnight Vanguard
122. Minimalist Kit
123. Mixed Boom Bap
124. Mixed Up Kit
125. Modern 808
126. Modern 909
127. Modern Chiptune
128. Modern Disco Kit
129. Modern Knock
130. Modern Throwback
131. Modular Drop Kit
132. Modular Mayhem Kit
133. Modular Space Kit
134. Mystic Groove Kit
135. Natural Bass House Kit
136. Natural Structures Kit
137. Old School 8-Bit
138. Old School Funk Remix
139. Overdrive Bump
140. Paris House Remix
141. Pawn Shop 808
142. Platinum Dreams
143. Platinum Kit
144. Plonky Modular Kit
145. Popping Bits
146. Precious Gems Kit
147. Prismatica Kit
148. Pure House Kit
149. R&B Kit
150. R&B Remix
151. Radiant Flow Kit
152. Red Line Kit
153. Retro Box Kit
154. Roland CR-78 Kit
155. Roland CR-78 Processed Kit
156. Roland TR-606 Kit
157. Roland TR-606 Processed Kit
158. Roland TR-808 Kit
159. Roland TR-808 Unprocessed Kit
160. Roland TR-909 Kit
161. Roland TR-909 Unprocessed Kit
162. Secret Sauce
163. Sequential DrumTraks Process...
164. Shadow Zone
165. Simmons SDS-V Processed Kit
166. SoHo Kit
167. Solaris Kit
168. Soul Fire Kit
169. Spaced Out Kit
170. Studio Cuts Kit
171. Super Natural
172. Super Solid Kit
173. Synthetic Bass House Kit
174. Tight Trap Kit
175. Titans of Bass
176. TR-707 Processed Kit
177. TR-727 Processed Kit
178. Trance Remix
179. Tribal Kit
180. Trip Hop Remix
181. Two Ton Pop Kit
182. UK Garage Remix
183. Uptown Flow Kit
184. Vintage Arcade
185. Vintage Beats
186. Warm Embers Kit
187. Washington Kit
188. West Coast Modular Kit

Alchemy (172, all presets tagged with “Drums”)

1. Action Drums
2. Age Of Steam Kit
3. Amanda Mouth Percussion Kit
4. Ancient Starship
5. Backwards Metal
6. Basic Party Boat
7. Bass Noise Cycles
8. Beat Box Battle Kit 01
9. Beat Box Battle Kit 02
10. Beat Box Battle Kit 03
11. Beat Box Battle Kit 04
12. Beat Box Battle Kit 05
13. Beat Box Battle Kit 06
14. Beat Box Battle Kit 07
15. Beat Box Battle Kit 08
16. Beat Box Battle Kit 09
17. Beat Box Battle Kit 10
18. Beat Box Battle Kit 11
19. Beat Box Battle Kit 12
20. Beat Box Battle Kit 13
21. Beat Box Battle Kit 14
22. Beat Box Loops 03
23. Beat Box Parts 01
24. Beat Box Parts 02
25. Beat Box Parts 03
26. Blurry Machinery
27. Boom-Clap
28. Breakbeat Kit Granular
29. Buzz Gong
30. Cod War
31. Compact Kit
32. Crunch Kicks
33. Crushed 808 Bass
34. Cup Of Tea Kit
35. Cutting Through Ice Caves
36. Cymbal FX Kit
37. Dark Times Kit
38. Deep 808 Bass
39. Deep Hit
40. Delay Percussion
41. Demented Percussion
42. Depth Kick
43. Destroyed 808 Bass
44. Dirty Quantum Water Jug
45. Drop
46. Drum Machine Kit
47. Dubstep Designer Kit 01
48. Dubstep Drum Set
49. Dubstep FX Kit 01
50. Echo Percussion
51. EllyAnna Germ Kit
52. Explore Top Drawer
53. Fear of Nature
54. Filter Mod Kits
55. Future Junglist
56. Gesture Drums
57. Gliding 808 Bass
58. Gong Atmosphere
59. Granular Dub Echo
60. Grinding 808 Bass
61. Hammer Kit
62. Hard 808 Bass
63. Heavy 808 Bass
64. Huge Hit
65. Hybrid Electronic Kit
66. Hybrid Kit
67. Ice Fractures Kit
68. Icelandic Choir SFX Kit
69. Impact 808 Bass
70. Impact Effects
71. Kick Synth Pattern
72. Knocked 808 Bass
73. Knocking Percussion
74. Lava Lake
75. Light Space Organic Kit
76. Limber Loop
77. Little Kit
78. Lo-Fi Drive 808 Bass
79. Longevity
80. Low Long Drums
81. Machine Kit
82. Massive 808 Bass
83. Massive Gong
84. Massive Hammer Kit
85. Massive Slam
86. Mega Click Kit
87. Metallic Impact
88. Metallic Percussion
89. Micro Kit
90. Miner Kit
91. Moment Of Impact
92. Monster 808 Bass
93. Mud Flats
94. Mutant Guitar FX Kit
95. Nano Kit
96. Neural Circuitry Remix Kit
97. Neverending Machine
98. Night Sequence
99. Nimble Kit
100. No Flange Beats
101. Overstuffed 808 Bass
102. Pebble Snare
103. Percussion Flurry
104. Percussive Hit
105. Pounding 808 Bass
106. Primal Forces
107. Quicksilver Multi SFX
108. Ragga Man Kit
109. Raw Edge Kit
110. Robotics FX Kit
111. Robotics Kit 01
112. Robotics Kit 02
113. Robotics Kit 03
114. Robotics Kit 04
115. Rock Kicks
116. Rock Percussion
117. Rough Cut Kit
118. Seaweed Glitch Kit
119. Short Cut Kit
120. Short Kit
121. Simple House Beat 02
122. Sine D.N.A.
123. Slight Kit
124. Small Kit
125. Smashed 808 Bass
126. Snap Snare
127. Snappy 808 Bass
128. Solid 808 Bass
129. Songhellir Cave Kit
130. Space Impacts
131. Spiraling Chaos Kit
132. Splash Snare
133. Squeaky 808 Bass
134. Steam Machine Kit
135. Super Sub 808 Bass
136. Sweeping 808 Bass
137. Synthesized Alchemy Kit
138. Synthetic Kit 01
139. Synthetic Kit 02
140. Techno Groove 1
141. Techno Groove 2
142. Thai Tuned Gong
143. The Dark Abyss
144. Thin Kit
145. Thunder Drum Kit
146. Tight Vox Kit
147. Tin Can Hit
148. Tiny Kit
149. Tough 808 Bass
150. Tough Robot Kit
151. Travelling Gong
152. Tremolo Snare
153. Troll Drums
154. Trompong
155. Tuned Cymbals
156. Underground Reservoir Tank FX Kit
157. Vox Beats 12
158. Vox Impact Kit 01
159. Vox Impact Kit 02
160. Vox Kit 01
161. Vox Kit 02
162. Vox Kit 03
163. Vox Kit 04
164. Vox Kit 05
165. Vox Kit 6
166. Vox Kit 7
167. Warning Bell
168. Water Jug Drums
169. Weird Glitches
170. Weird Hollywood Drums
171. Whip Kit
172. Woosh Snaps

 

Edited August 17 by anp27

[Nunstummy]

3 hours ago, anp27 said:

Yes there's some overlap but still.

It’s amazing, huh?  If you can’t find something that works for you in those 600+ kits…. You’re just not paying attention.  So really, there’s little need to buy any additional 3rd party drum software unless you’re after higher quality layered, multi-velocity samples - like EZ Drummer or Superior Drummer 3.

[JakobP]

I have the "Studio Kit" set as default kit when inserting a DKD instance, I can't see it in your list... 🙂 

 

[Nunstummy]

2 hours ago, Neil Gilmartin said:

You have to wonder whether there’s any need for 3rd party at all

For most people, NO.  Most (maybe all) of the DMD and Ultrabeat kits use single samples for each kit piece.  Velocity makes its louder or softer, but doesn’t change the sound.  So, if you want a ride cymbal hit to change the closer you hit near the bell, you have to use a different sample.  You might need 4 ride cymbal samples to capture the dynamics of a real ride cymbal.  Most 3rd party drum software also use single samples.  But some high-end packages use multi-sample, layered, velocity driven kits.  They might have 30 samples for just 1 snare kit piece.  Very realistic! Get Good Drums, EZ Drummer & Superior Drummer 3 offer this.

Most of us don’t need this realism, unless your goal is to replace an acoustic kit drummer, which is absolutely going on in pop, hip hop, R&B and rock music these days.

I made a video on this with help from the experts in this forum.  
Logic DMD | How to Create Layered, Velocity Triggered Multi-Sampled Drum Kits!
https://youtu.be/zwt02wPPv2E

[Neil Gilmartin]

Regarding realism in acoustic kits, I thought Drummer (DKD) does change the sample depending on the velocity? If I have a velocity of 127 on my snare track but then have a velocity of 64, I'm pretty sure it doesn't only change the volume but also changes the sample?

 

Thanks for the link, Nunstummy. I'll check it out soon. 

[David Nahmani]

2 minutes ago, Neil Gilmartin said:

I thought Drummer (DKD) does change the sample depending on the velocity? If I have a velocity of 127 on my snare track but then have a velocity of 64, I'm pretty sure it doesn't only change the volume but also changes the sample?

 

Yes, it does. But Nunstummy was talking about DMD and Ultrabeat, not DKD. 

[Neil Gilmartin]

I know, yeah, but he also mentioned realism in acoustic kits in the following paragraph, so I saw it as a kind of continuation of the same point. My mistake! And good news about DKD changing the sample based on velocity 😀

Edited August 17 by Neil Gilmartin

[Nunstummy]

3 hours ago, Neil Gilmartin said:

And good news about DKD changing the sample based on velocity

I think thats correct.  
 

Drum Kit Designer seems to be multi-sample.  I always start with DKD if I’m after realistic acoustic drum sounds.  The single sample hits in DMD and Ultrabeat seem to target hip hop and EDM genres.  Frankly, I don’t own EZ Drummer or Superior Drummer.  I had a limited time license when I did a YT review back in 2022.  They are very good but a little expensive, and I’m cheap!  I find the drum options in Logic provide everything I need.  The only other 3rd party multi-sample, layered software I use is Abe Laboriel Jr. Kit from Spitfire Audio.  It’s $29 and excellent, and different enough from Logic DKD to warrant the purchase.

I think it’s easy to go overboard on drums, when most listeners aren’t discriminating enough to hear the difference between single sample and multi-sample drums.  They’re more focused on the vocals or lead melodic parts - at least in the music I create.

Lastly, I tried about 16 different 3rd party drum apps and they all had some kind of sequencer, but all were inferior to Logic’s step editor and pattern capabilities.  So I always end up using Logic to program my drum parts.  I own XO by XLN Audio, which has an amazing cluster browser for selecting samples and similar or alternate samples, but with only 8 sample slots per kit, it’s not that useful.  I often use it to browse samples to find what I like, then recreate the kit in DMD with 16 - 20 kit pieces, the use Logic’s step sequencer.

I collaborate with other musicians that use Logic, so I’m motivated to use delivered drums that exist in Logic to make collaboration easier.  Any 3rd party VSTs have to be bounced to audio, because I never know if my collaborators have the same VSTs.

[des99]

1 minute ago, Nunstummy said:

Drum Kit Designer seems to be multi-sample.

It's just a front end for Sampler. You can open the kits in Sampler, and see exactly how many kit pieces, velocity and round-robins each kit has.

2 minutes ago, Nunstummy said:

The only other 3rd party multi-sample, layered software I use is Abe Laboriel Jr. Kit from Spitfire Audio.  It’s $29 and excellent

+1

[Nunstummy]

I feel like I spent a year investigating so many options for drums, only to conclude Logic had everything I need. Silly, huh?

Now I’m fixated on bass.  I have 12 3rd party virtual bass instruments in my testing so far.  And once again, I suspect I’ll end up where I started.  One difference is that you’re buying into the vendor’s sampling prowess at sampling the way a bass player performs.  That’s what you’re paying for.  So a virtual bass instrument for $199 is going to sound better than the Logic options.  But is it a $200 difference?

When I’m done, I’ll probably release a video in early Sept.  The issue I have with most YT reviews is they will not do a comparison of the top 5 or top 10, because they’ve been given a free copy from a vendor.  The review might be unbiased, but without a head-to-head comparison, it’s tough to decide.