How to Stop Piano Roll Window Pop-Up on Double Click (MIDI Region)

[damusicman29]

Pretty much exactly what the title says. Does anyone know how to stop LPX from opening a new Piano Roll External Pop-Up Window when I double click a MIDI Region? I just want the Piano Roll to appear on the Main Window only (attached to the main arrangement, like normal). I'm not sure what's causing this behavior. I've already toggled on and off the little "link" button and that seems to not do anything. Furthermore, the behavior I AM noticing is that once the Piano Roll is open in the Main Window (like normal), the double-click-to-open a Piano Roll Pop-Up Window doesn't happen (the behavior I want). However, if the Piano Roll is collapsed in the Main Window (as if I was just tweaking the arrangement like normal), and then proceed to double click on a Region, the Pop-Up Window thing starts happening again. It's really frustrating because it happens regardless if I'm using my extended monitor or not. It just keeps opening a separate pop-up window.

Is there an option or something I'm missing? Thank you!
Below are some screenshots: one of them shows the pop-up window (what I don't want), the other one shows the attached window (what I DO want).

[polanoid]

1 hour ago, damusicman29 said:

Is there an option or something I'm missing? Thank you!

Cannot find any setting for this, but usually this behaviour is switched by holding the Option key while double-clicking, so maybe option-double clicking will give you the desired behaviour (although it's the other way round here: Option double click will open a separate editor window, double click without modifier will open the editor view at the bottom of the main window)

Edited February 13 by polanoid

[damusicman29]

45 minutes ago, polanoid said:

Cannot find any setting for this, but usually this behaviour is switched by holding the Option key while double-clicking, so maybe option-double clicking will give you the desired behaviour (although it's the other way round here: Option double click will open a separate editor window, double click without modifier will open the editor view at the bottom of the main window)

Okay, this is good to know! Yeah, option+double-clicking the MIDI Region definitely has the window popping up each time reliably. I just can't, for the life of me, figure out why the hell the window pops up when I do a normal double-click. It's odd behavior and I don't remember it ever doing this before. Maybe it's a bug. I noticed that it started doing this after I started utilizing the plug-in link function (I wanted to use this because I'm composing with a big orchestral template and I need the plug-in windows to stay consistently up on my 2nd monitor). I don't know if that is affecting anything though, just thought I'd point that out.

Edited February 13 by damusicman29

[Plowman]

Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Double-Clicking a MIDI Region Opens: Score Editor / Event List / Piano Roll Editor. 

Edited February 13 by Plowman

[polanoid]

2 minutes ago, Plowman said:

Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Double-Clicking a MIDI Region Opens: Score Editor / Event List / Piano Roll Editor. 

That setting will only determine which editor type is opened upon double click, not if it's opened as a separate window or as a main window sub view 

[damusicman29]

6 minutes ago, Plowman said:

Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Double-Clicking a MIDI Region Opens: Score Editor / Event List / Piano Roll Editor. 

I've tried this. It does same thing: more cascading pop up windows are getting added to the pool lol (as you can see in the image). I'm having to manually close all of these out. It's aggrevating.

I tried to use the Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Double-Clicking a MIDI Region Opens: Event List specifically as I thought this one wouldn't open anymore than one window (since there's only one real Event List), but that doesn't work either. It just opens the Event List (on the Browser tabs on the right) and completely ignores the Piano Roll altogether. 

[Plowman]

Thanks and sorry.

I just tried enabling the Plug-in Link (attached to Vienna Ensemble Pro instances), and it has no affect. But I can't duplicate the OP's observation. Double-clicking a region opens Piano Roll in the sub-pane of the Main window, and double-clicking again closes it. Option-double-clicking a region opens a stand-alone window.  And if I Option-double-click again on a region, it only changes the window focus to the just-opened stand-alone window, i.e., no new windows are created. 

I just read DaMusicman29's response. I can't explain it or duplicate it. But it should not do what he is unfortunately experiencing. I suppose we can drag out the old "delete preferences" and "does it happen on a new file?" but he's likely tried that already. 

When it comes to closing numerous, unwanted windows, refreshing the screenset can be less tedious. 

[polanoid]

29 minutes ago, Plowman said:

But I can't duplicate the OP's observation.

Neither can I, no matter what I try (including plug-in link)

[damusicman29]

2 hours ago, Plowman said:

Thanks and sorry.

I just tried enabling the Plug-in Link (attached to Vienna Ensemble Pro instances), and it has no affect. But I can't duplicate the OP's observation. Double-clicking a region opens Piano Roll in the sub-pane of the Main window, and double-clicking again closes it. Option-double-clicking a region opens a stand-alone window.  And if I Option-double-click again on a region, it only changes the window focus to the just-opened stand-alone window, i.e., no new windows are created. 

I just read DaMusicman29's response. I can't explain it or duplicate it. But it should not do what he is unfortunately experiencing. I suppose we can drag out the old "delete preferences" and "does it happen on a new file?" but he's likely tried that already. 

When it comes to closing numerous, unwanted windows, refreshing the screenset can be less tedious. 

Thanks for this insight and thank you for taking a look! I may try the preference thing but first, take a look at these two videos. In one video, you can see that if I'm on a separate track and I double-click a region that's on another unassociated track, it will do the weird pop-out window thing, but if I select the track FIRST, and then double-click the region, it works like normal. Maybe this is some insight into what's going on?

https://gyazo.com/4870eeaa9760d0006c9f9c5fae36a9f9

https://gyazo.com/7a1df92b2c9d747a800696c5aa34bbb5

Also, thanks for the screenset idea. 🙂

[Plowman]

Two thoughts:

1. There's another anomaly at work in the first video (weird pop-up). When you double-click on the region, not only does the pop-up happen, the region's track is selected. That shouldn't happen. The "non-region" track should remain selected. 

2. As a diagnostic, and possibly as a work-around: Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Select tracks on region/marquee selection. Enable that. 

Now when you click on a region whose track is not selected, the double-clicked region's track will *get* selected, and perhaps by default, you'll see the correct behavior -- opening the sub-pane in Main and not a pop-up window. In other words, Logic will perform like the second video: as soon as you select any region, its track is immediately selected.  

Admittedly, you may not *want* that new track to get selected, but it is less cringing than this horrid, unwanted pop-up. 

Tell us if that helps at all, as a diagnostic or work-around. 

Here, it works correctly either way. I don't get a pop-up regardless of that "Select tracks" box checked or unchecked. 

Yeah, it's amazing how I reflexively close unwanted windows one by one when I can just hit a screenset number and refresh the whole layout. 

 

Edited February 14 by Plowman

[damusicman29]

18 hours ago, Plowman said:

Two thoughts:

1. There's another anomaly at work in the first video (weird pop-up). When you double-click on the region, not only does the pop-up happen, the region's track is selected. That shouldn't happen. The "non-region" track should remain selected. 

2. As a diagnostic, and possibly as a work-around: Logic Pro > Settings > General > Editing > Select tracks on region/marquee selection. Enable that. 

Now when you click on a region whose track is not selected, the double-clicked region's track will *get* selected, and perhaps by default, you'll see the correct behavior -- opening the sub-pane in Main and not a pop-up window. In other words, Logic will perform like the second video: as soon as you select any region, its track is immediately selected.  

Admittedly, you may not *want* that new track to get selected, but it is less cringing than this horrid, unwanted pop-up. 

Tell us if that helps at all, as a diagnostic or work-around. 

Here, it works correctly either way. I don't get a pop-up regardless of that "Select tracks" box checked or unchecked. 

Yeah, it's amazing how I reflexively close unwanted windows one by one when I can just hit a screenset number and refresh the whole layout. 

Alrighty, I tried what you said. Here's a couple more videos. I think this may actually be a bug.

https://gyazo.com/f50f8ca1f7e5778cdd236ca3860b46d9

https://gyazo.com/a1f979e308b5078b8407f63aadcae2bf

In the first video, I have the Plug-in Link Off (the little purple box) and the behavior is normal.

In the second video, I turn the Plug-in Link On (the little purple box) and the behavior acts up again.

Additionally, I have already had that "Select tracks on region/marquee selection" enabled (because I want that; I want LPX to select the associated track when I select a Region).

[Plowman]

I salute your thorough documentation. Alas, I can offer little more. You seem to have demonstrated a solid cause-and-effect with the link button. 

For a second time, I tried to invoke this bug with my own link button using Vienna Ensemble, to no avail. Then I loaded the only other meaningful plug-in I have --- Synthogy's Ivory -- and again, no bug with or without the link. 

I tried this wondering if the bug is related to the Hans Zimmer Strings, a library I do not know. You've likely already tried other plug-ins to see if the bug continues -- particularly third-party plug-ins if you have any.

What you're asking Logic to do is both reasonable and common, and if this bug was in Logic, even sporadically, I'd think the forum would have reported it earlier. I've been the winner of the "highly-uncommon-bug" lottery before, and it's really frustrating. 

I'd be interested to know if a demo copy of VE Pro evidences this same issue. It can host plug-ins, and the HZ Strings could be folded into it. But to be sure, there's a point where a given bug isn't worth the time it takes to solve or work-around, and we don't know the greater issue we may create in our efforts to solve the problem at hand. 

 

 

[damusicman29]

22 hours ago, Plowman said:

I salute your thorough documentation. Alas, I can offer little more. You seem to have demonstrated a solid cause-and-effect with the link button. 

For a second time, I tried to invoke this bug with my own link button using Vienna Ensemble, to no avail. Then I loaded the only other meaningful plug-in I have --- Synthogy's Ivory -- and again, no bug with or without the link. 

I tried this wondering if the bug is related to the Hans Zimmer Strings, a library I do not know. You've likely already tried other plug-ins to see if the bug continues -- particularly third-party plug-ins if you have any.

What you're asking Logic to do is both reasonable and common, and if this bug was in Logic, even sporadically, I'd think the forum would have reported it earlier. I've been the winner of the "highly-uncommon-bug" lottery before, and it's really frustrating. 

I'd be interested to know if a demo copy of VE Pro evidences this same issue. It can host plug-ins, and the HZ Strings could be folded into it. But to be sure, there's a point where a given bug isn't worth the time it takes to solve or work-around, and we don't know the greater issue we may create in our efforts to solve the problem at hand. 

Thank you so much for helping! I've also encountered very very strange bugs as well. I may do a clean reinstall at some point and just save all my templates, key commands, and presets. I've been meaning to do a clean install for sometime, especially after all the updating, etc. I don't know if it's worth mentioning that I'm on Monterey 12.6.3 or not, but maybe my OS is acting up with the latest version of LPX for some reason.

Also, I've tried other plugins, yes. I also have Kontakt (6) running in this project, loaded in a couple other completely non-related plugins and the behavior acts up with this as well, when the plug-in window link is on. 

I think a workaround for now, is I may have to turn the plug-in link off and just resort back to using the hotkey I setup for opening the plug-in window (what I've been doing for years anyway; luckily, I have a single key stroke command for that). But the drawback to this is that the plug-in window won't remain consistently on display. Or I can just do what you said, and that is to reset the screenset. I may also just try and have the plugin windows stack underneath something, shrink them down and make em all tiny hahah. 

I think though, after a clean install, potentially deleting preferences, and the like, it should go back to normal. Anyway, once and if I get around to doing that, I'll report back here if it works (and/or if I find another solution)! Tysm friends! 🙂