Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

[David Nahmani]

3 minutes ago, des99 said:

But I don't think the iPad version is for me, I just feel too constrained.

For now I think of the iPad version as a companion to the desktop version. It's like Logic Remote without needing to be next to a desktop Mac! So you can take it with you on the go. 

Much like one ends up composing different music on a keyboard vs a guitar, I think this will open doors to compose different stuff on the iPad vs on the desktop Mac. 

[fisherking]

the video promo actually has me interested, as i live on both LP & FCP. i've never wanted an ipad... before. but.... hmmmm......

[jmob]

2 hours ago, fuzzfilth said:

So if you have Logic run on an iPad and on a decent computer, you'll have to buy not one but two new machines every couple of years just to stay current. Clever.

Oh I don't know about that. I have a mac studio and it so fast I can't imagine needing to buy a new one for at least 4-5 years.

[jmob]

3 hours ago, des99 said:

Quite possibly you're not aware of the difficulties in actually trying to find highly competent Apple developers with specialisms in audio/music applications, who will move to Cupertino, and are willing to work for Apple.

Actually hiring great developers has always been a problem for Apple. It's one of the reasons they actually purchase small indy companies, not just for the IP, but for the dev talent as well.

So it's not like there's a massive talent pool of Mac-centric audio developers who can instantly jump in and tackle a codebase like Logic. Yes, Apple of course has the money to hire people, but there still needs to be good people available.

(And as anyone who has read the Mythical Man Month knows, throwing more developers at the problem doesn't make a project go faster... Apple doesn't tend to operate massive dev teams, but smaller, focused ones.)

Sigh. mansplain to man = 🤮🤮🤮

[des99]

11 minutes ago, jmob said:

Sigh. mansplain to man

No, not mansplaining, *explaining*, as it seemed to me you weren't aware of this in light of the (paraphrased) "just hire more people - simples" comment. Anyway, moving on...

Edited May 9, 2023 by des99

[Nunstummy]

I was the guy that said this would never happen LOL.  I’ve done a lot of iOS music production and don’t believe we need Logic on an iPad, but Apple iPad sales were in a slump. Maybe they’re hoping these 2 pro apps with drive iPad sales?

What about 3rd party plugins?  Very few are available both for Mac OS AND iOS.  Will you need to buy 2 versions of your fav plugins?

[jmob]

26 minutes ago, des99 said:

No, not mansplaining, *explaining*, as it seemed to me you weren't aware of this in light of the (paraphrased) "just hire more people - simples" comment. Anyway, moving on...

hehe, whatever you say man.

[redgreenblue]

I hate hate hate subscription software, but if the Mac version of Logic were also $50 it would take 15 years to get to the price of Ableton Suite, and only 9 years for the Basic version. Just to give it perspective.

[fisherking]

1 hour ago, Nunstummy said:

I was the guy that said this would never happen LOL.  I’ve done a lot of iOS music production and don’t believe we need Logic on an iPad, but Apple iPad sales were in a slump. Maybe they’re hoping these 2 pro apps with drive iPad sales?

What about 3rd party plugins?  Very few are available both for Mac OS AND iOS.  Will you need to buy 2 versions of your fav plugins?

even if you or i don't need logic on an ipad, it might introduce the DAW to new people... who might then add the app to their macs.

either way, more possibilities are always better than less....

Edited May 9, 2023 by fisherking

[David Nahmani]

4 hours ago, Totigerus said:

So what's gonna happen with Logic Remote? Is it still gonna be viable or will Logic iOS take it's place?

I think there's still a place for Logic Remote, which can be useful when running Logic Pro in the studio. I mean obviously some larger sessions won't run on the iPad so it still makes sense to keep Logic Remote IMO. 

I've added the official Logic Pro for iPad link at the top of this thread, here it is again: https://www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/

[analogika]

5 hours ago, des99 said:

Quite possibly you're not aware of the difficulties in actually trying to find highly competent Apple developers with specialisms in audio/music applications, who will move to Cupertino, and are willing to work for Apple.

Logic is developed at the old Emagic headquarters in Rellingen, near Hamburg, Germany. 

[dubsak]

This is kinda cool in a way. Not likely for me but I can see it being a big thing for people who make music mostly electronically. Hope there are some bug fixes in the desktop version when this gets released.

[Nunstummy]

1 hour ago, fisherking said:

either way, more possibilities are always better than less....

I appreciate your optimism, yet my intuition about the future of Logic is somehow negative due to this news of iPad support.  For many years, I viewed Logic, and the administrators of this forum as having extraordinary skills and talent with a highly capable product (roots from eMagic).  But, Apple bringing it to iPad is a move to commoditize Logic for “everybody”.  GarageBand was for everybody, Logic was for professionals. The subscription model makes it even worse.  It says “come on and try it - you can cancel anytime - no need to commit to learning it”.  Although, this is a general trend in music production, not just at Apple.  How long before Logic is just Fruity Loops Studio?

[fisherking]

20 minutes ago, Nunstummy said:

I appreciate your optimism, yet my intuition about the future of Logic is somehow negative due to this news of iPad support.  For many years, I viewed Logic, and the administrators of this forum as having extraordinary skills and talent with a highly capable product (roots from eMagic).  But, Apple bringing it to iPad is a move to commoditize Logic for “everybody”.  GarageBand was for everybody, Logic was for professionals. The subscription model makes it even worse.  It says “come on and try it - you can cancel anytime - no need to commit to learning it”.  Although, this is a general trend in music production, not just at Apple.  How long before Logic is just Fruity Loops Studio?

i don't see the problem, at all. if someone wants to run logic on their ipad, and makes something great... that's a win. and logic on the mac is for everyone... everyone who wants to buy it. 

if someone dives into logic on their ipad, and it doesn't work for them... why shouldn't they be able to cancel their subscription? i've bought plugins i've abandoned; that's my prerogative.

and logic will never be FL studio... it's already logic.

[Totigerus]

50 minutes ago, Nunstummy said:

I appreciate your optimism, yet my intuition about the future of Logic is somehow negative due to this news of iPad support.  For many years, I viewed Logic, and the administrators of this forum as having extraordinary skills and talent with a highly capable product (roots from eMagic).  But, Apple bringing it to iPad is a move to commoditize Logic for “everybody”.  GarageBand was for everybody, Logic was for professionals. The subscription model makes it even worse.  It says “come on and try it - you can cancel anytime - no need to commit to learning it”.  Although, this is a general trend in music production, not just at Apple.  How long before Logic is just Fruity Loops Studio?

I've seen people with little-to-no musical background try to make music with GarageBand and Fruity Loops etc. You might be surprised to see how soon they give up on "doing music" haha

[Dewdman42]

They shoulda done Mainstage.  

I don't see myself subscribing to any software ever, including LogicProIpad from Apple..

 

[fisherking]

all this panic! if logic pro on the mac goes subscription... i'll subscribe. if not, i'll be happier. but it's my DAW of choice, am not switching DAWs just because i don't like the subscription model.

still, we can do what we want (even move to another DAW)...

[steinweg]

I just hope that this isn't step 1 one of a "big masterplan" by apple to eventually move every piece of software into the iOS world with all its simplicity, like they are kind of doing with Mac OS since the past few years. I think we still need the complexity and freedom in real PC Operating Systems, doesnt matter if it is about logic, or Mac OS in general...

As there are rumors that Apple is working on Touchscreen MBPs right now, it would unfortunately fit into this theme, of making Touchscreen Logic and Final Cut Versions.

[Musician-X1]

3 hours ago, redgreenblue said:

I hate hate hate subscription software, but if the Mac version of Logic were also $50 it would take 15 years to get to the price of Ableton Suite, and only 9 years for the Basic version. Just to give it perspective.

Ive learned subscriptions aren't the problem, being forced into them is. I don't see why we can't  choose to pay full price or subscribe and that goes for any product. It almost seems anti consumer.  

[Jonathan Levine]

Anyone else feel like this is some kind of a preview for a massive Logic Pro redesign for the Mac as well? 
 

I only hope that doesn’t mean the subscription-model doesn’t make its way over either though. I can understand why some smaller developers need to charge a subscription for their software, but I just can’t give one of the most profitable companies in the world a pass for charging a monthly or annual subscription price for this, no matter how cheap it is. It should really be available as a rent-to-own style type product where you can get it for a one-time purchase, or an annual or monthly subscription until you pay off however much it takes to get to the one-time purchase price. 

[anp27]

10 hours ago, Q420 said:

wait are any of you seeing the sample pack things? https://www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/?cid=wwa-us-yt-shr-ipadprologicinfocard scroll down to fresh sounds fresh inspiration. wow. mark ronson is a hero of mine. this is looking really cool 

All of those sample packs have been available in Logic since 10.7, including Mark Ronson's sample pack, it's called "Watch the Sound"

[anp27]

7 hours ago, Deif said:

I would love to see Plug-In Tiles in the MacOS version. I never got into Smart Controls but these seems like a much better implementation. 

I just mentioned wanting this just a few weeks ago!

[Nunstummy]

5 hours ago, fisherking said:

and logic will never be FL studio... it's already logic.

I was just over-reacting.  I don’t really have any issues with FL Studio, but I love to remind FL users that it was Fruity Loops once upon a time.

[FLH3]

Logic is not a religion.

Even if I used it since C-Lab Creator I'm abble to buy and learn something else if I'm not happy with it.

So, wait and see.

Edited May 10, 2023 by FLH3

[David Nahmani]

6 hours ago, anp27 said:

All of those sample packs have been available in Logic since 10.7, including Mark Ronson's sample pack, it's called "Watch the Sound"

Indeed. @Q420 you can find the Ronson Apple Loops by choosing the pack "Watch de Sound" or you can start with the Starter Grid called Crate Digging: 

[fisherking]

34 minutes ago, FLH3 said:

Logic is not a religion.

Even if I used it since C-Lab Creator I'm abble to buy and learn something else if I'm not happy with it.

So, wait and see.

uh. what? of course you can use something else. but personally, i wouldn't abandon it (i have so many projects in logic) just because i don't like subscription pricing. 

why don't we all wait and see how things go before the sky falls...??....

[anp27]

30 minutes ago, fisherking said:

why don't we all wait and see how things go before the sky falls...??....

Agreed. For all we know, nothing at all changes for the Mac version which is really what I care about the most. I just don't see them making the Mac version subscription as well, that's what the iPad version is for.

[jonparadise]

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple offers Logic on subscription at some point. But it's more than likely it will be in tandem with buying a perpetual license.

It could be interesting if they created a 'Pro apps' subscription, similar to their Apple One service, where Logic/Final Cut/Motion etc are included - on all platforms - for a monthly fee.

[dubfish]

Not usually a fan of subscriptions but I suppose one way to look at it is that I can sign up for just a month when there's a specific need. This suits me as I don't see myself using Logic on my iPad on a regular basis - if at all. All these years GarageBand has been a feasible scratchpad, but I never liked working on a small screen.

More interesting perhaps is what Apple will include in the subscription in the way of content. I can't think of any subscription apps that Apple charges just to use. Apple Music, Fitness, Arcade all give access to an ever increasing library of content, so we could well see a steady stream of loop packs, presets, etc as part of the subscription. It'll be interesting to see what that means for Logic Pro on the Mac.

Edited May 10, 2023 by dubfish

[Dox]

12 hours ago, redgreenblue said:

I hate hate hate subscription software, but if the Mac version of Logic were also $50 it would take 15 years to get to the price of Ableton Suite, and only 9 years for the Basic version. Just to give it perspective.

But only 4 years to meet the price of Logic, which is about the time it takes to learn it well enought to be reasonably confident and competent in using it!