no sound for imported tracks

[edurbrow]

I imported the tracks from Logic's Orchestra template and pasted them in my project. Then I made a Track Stack. I drew a few notes but I can't get any sound. Nothing when I draw a note, click on a note or on playback.

Thanks in advance

 

[David Nahmani]

What if you R-enable only one of the subtracks? 

[edurbrow]

Still no sound. I think it is something obvious, but I don't see it.
When I create a new track and drag a track (with a note) out of the stack onto the new track and solo it, I can hear sound, but if it is in the stack, I can't hear anything. According to the Inspector, output for the stack is bus 7. I see bus 7 input on Orchestra Sum 5 in the mixer, but no sound.

[David Nahmani]

Can you draw a few notes, double-check that you don't get any sound upon playback, and then attach the project file here? 

[edurbrow]

Yes, certainly. I am sorry to trouble you for what is surely a stupid mistake.

Hmm. I tried. It seems it is impossible to get it below 1.95 MB. I took out all audio and shortened it to just three bars and just tried with the Logic file, but it is still 8.8MB. 7.1MB after compressing.

 

Edited September 19 by edurbrow

[David Nahmani]

Try to save it as a copy to make sure you remove all undo history and any project alternative? 

Otherwise, you could use a service such as WeTransfer or Google drive to share it.

[edurbrow]

I could get WETransfer to send it to me, but they did not provide a link that I could use to send to you.

I am wrong. They did provide a download link. Sorry. Here it is.

https://we.tl/t-XzImUpzG8s

[edurbrow]

To be clear. It is the orchestral stack I cannot get to sound.

[David Nahmani]

I see that the instruments are missing. When you import the tracks from the Orchestral template, make sure you select the instrument plug-ins? 

[edurbrow]

I knew it was something basic, but I have never seen that window. I am using an older version, 10.2.2.
So when I open the template, it looks like the screen shot. In the template, I can get sound. How do I make sure the instruments are there when copying? I tried again, selecting the regions and headers and pasted, as I did the first time, I think, but I still don't get any sound. There must be an easy way to copy stuff between projects. 

[David Nahmani]

Ugh... I'm afraid I have no idea if this was possible back in Logic 10.2. Maybe if you can find a project audio setting to turn off the automatic management of channel strip objects, you can try to: 

1. Open the Orchestral template,
2. Open the MIDI Environment,
3. Select and copy all the desired channel strips,
4. Close the Orchestral template, 
5. Open your project, 
6. Open the MIDI Environment,
7. Paste the channel strips. 

Not sure if that will work though. I know that does not work in 10.7.9. 

[David Nahmani]

Ok maybe it's easier to simple save a patch for each channel strip, and simply reload those patches onto new tracks in your project.

Not sure if there were track stacks in 10.2? If there are, you could put all the channel strips in a summing stack first, then save that summing stack as one patch. Now load that patch onto a new track in your project? 

[edurbrow]

1 minute ago, David Nahmani said:

Ok maybe it's easier to simple save a patch for each channel strip, and simply reload those patches onto new tracks in your project.

Not sure if there were track stacks in 10.2? If there are, you could put all the channel strips in a summing stack first, then save that summing stack as one patch. Now load that patch onto a new track in your project? 

Yeah, there are definitely track stacks int 10.2.2. I use them all the time. I don't want to bother anyone more on this, though there is still much I don't understand, like: "save as a patch" and "environment". I heard of environment before. I thought that was a real tech under the hood thing that was a holdover from much earlier pre-Apple versions.
I'll sleep on this because I know I've copied stuff from one project to another. It should be simple.

Thank  you for your time and effort.

 

[David Nahmani]

6 minutes ago, edurbrow said:

I don't want to bother anyone more on this

Don't worry, you're not bothering anyone! 😄 This place is here for everyone to ask their questions, and the worse that could happen is, if everybody who could answer them is too busy to answer, then a question may not get answered. But don't worry, ask all your questions. 

8 minutes ago, edurbrow said:

there is still much I don't understand, like: "save as a patch" and "environment".

Let's go the "patch" way, which is easier than the environment and is guaranteed to work. 

So basically you open the Library, make sure your track stack is selected in the Tracks area, and click the "Save" button at the bottom right in your library. You give that patch a name. 

Now when you close that project and open yours, you create 1 new software instrument track and open the library, and click the name of that patch you just saved, it should reload the entire track stack. 

[JakobP]

3 hours ago, edurbrow said:

knew it was something basic, but I have never seen that window. I am using an older version, 10.2.2.

I believe the import project feature was there already in 10.0 ? Try go main menu File > Import > Logic Projects..., can't you see it ? When selecting a project from there, that window pane should appear to the right. When there, do a cmd+a to select all, click right keyboard arrow to check all boxes, then click "Add" bottom right to import everything to your project. To import from a template, I guess you would first need to save it as a "real" project and then import from there. Hth...

Edited September 19 by JakobP

[David Nahmani]

2 minutes ago, JakobP said:

To import from a template, I guess you would first need to save it as a "real" project and then import from there.

That shouldn't be necessary, a template is a real project, you just have to navigate to the location of the template in the Finder. 

It should be in Macintosh HD/Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/ or Macintosh HD/Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/Compose/

[JakobP]

23 minutes ago, David Nahmani said:

That shouldn't be necessary, a template is a real project, you just have to navigate to the location of the template in the Finder. 

 

Of course you're right ! I suddenly had the idea that it was packed into the .app file... 🙄

[edurbrow]

Tried that last night. What happened was when I selected everything and chose export, it said no midi files selected. Perhaps if I put one note in each track it would work. The whole point of this was to save time. I already have a bunch of basic tracks and vocals and now I want to orchestrate it. This is how I normally work (on this opera project), but I usually add tracks as I go, which actually takes quite a bit of time when you add it all up.

[edurbrow]

I tried it the other way, trying to paste my tracks into the template. Selected the tracks, including audio and global tracks and pasted. For some reason it pasted the global tracks with all the tempos and markers just fine, but not any of the other audio or midi tracks. It pasted in the orchestral tracks which I had purposely de-selected and the orchestral tracks pasted in don't sound.
Fairly flummoxed.

Oh, I see it did paste in the other tracks, but on top of the orchestral template tracks even tho gh I chose create new tracks. The audio doesn't sound I guess because it is on a midi track. The waveforms are there though.

So the lesson from all this is that you cannot copy in anyway from one project to another. This just doesn't seem right and I could have sworn I've copied tracks between projects before.

Edited September 20 by edurbrow

[David Nahmani]

3 hours ago, edurbrow said:

What happened was when I selected everything and chose export

Export? Or do you mean Import? You see an Import button in your All Files Browser? 

If you mean importing from the All Files browser, then make sure you select the desired checkboxes under each column, as I showed in my earlier reply?

2 hours ago, edurbrow said:

you cannot copy in anyway from one project to another.

Can you choose File > Import > Logic Projects...? Or, when you select a project in the All Files Browser, do you see an "Import" button at the bottom? If the answer is yes to at least one of those two questions, then you can copy tracks from one project to another. 

If the answer is no to both, then you can pack all the tracks into a track stack and save it as a patch as I suggested earlier.