peeb Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Forgive me for asking this "not strictly about Logic" question, but does anyone have a Pop Brass sample library they particularly like? I have Kontakt 2, Sampletank and MachFive and all their respective libraries installed and ALL my Pop Brass sounds, including the ones that came with the wonderful library in Logic Pro 8, suck. Anybody got a favourite? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob glow Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 As a brass player myself, I HATE all of the sample libraries available. It's like the people that record them don't know what a brass instrument actually sounds like. They *definitely* don't know how they work!! I go for acoustic, real brass every time. Sorry, that's not very helpful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 18, 2007 Author Share Posted December 18, 2007 Of course you go for real brass, you can play it!! But thanks for the reply. All appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rok4u2 Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 saw this over at sonik http://www.samplemodeling.com/products.php really amazing . imagine when they roll out other instruments using this technology...... not out for a year though r k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Mighty impressive. As long as it doesn't require so much knowledge of how the Trumpet is played that it would actually be easier to learn the Trumpet. But i admit, it sounds really amazing. Rob Glow, i'd be curious to hear what you, as a Brass player yourself, think of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob glow Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Yeah, I agree that it's quite impressive, but as always, the main point of concern is the start of the notes - the attack. A real trumpet player would have a lot less 'tongued' notes in a phrase and more of a legato sound overall. Also, the simple physics of playing a brass instrument means that there are many different sounds used to start a note: from a harsh 'tuh' to a soft 'vuh' (which has more air than note). On top of this, there's the issue of proper legato playing, where by the note is changed by a combination of embouchure adjustments (to get a higher/lower note in the same harmonic series) and valve changes. Neither of these things provide a defined start to each note, simply because of the way the air velocity changes the note. If you can ignore the start of the notes then it sounds spot on. Unfortunately, without the full range of attacks that a real trumpet player would use naturally - and not including sfz attacks etc - it's never gonna sound quite right to me. A good effort though; much better than most! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Thanks Rob. Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.lee Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'm sold on the Wallander Instruments for trumpet and trombone, in any style. I've been using them for motown, big band, orchestral. They're very playable, the physical modeling means the breath control can be realistically modified during a held note, it just works. Try the demo, but ignore the nasty preset reverb, if you can. (It can be run dry in the licensed version) http://www.wallanderinstruments.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 They sound great Michael. Not "Pop" but great. Gonna download the Demo and have a play over the holiday. Never heard of them till you. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazzassassin Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Maybe not exactly pop, but the Garritan Jazz Band has some pretty awesome sounds lurking inside it.... Might be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut as you'd have to buy the whole jazz band to get some horns, but imo they sound great. Go to the Garritan website and check them out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 At this point in time at least, for Pop Brass and Saxes Fablesounds Broadway Big Band is in a league of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.lee Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 They sound great Michael. Not "Pop" but great. Gonna download the Demo and have a play over the holiday. Never heard of them till you. Thanks don't dismiss them for pop stuff too quickly - I run them dry out of the virtual instrument, add some chorus or ensemble, a little hi-mid EQ bump, and they'll scream at you in a very usable way. You have to treat it like you would a real instrument, and plopping a trumpet in front a mic and hitting "record" is rarely the entire process for getting good pop horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 Thanks Jay. And Michael i will try that out over the holiday. I appreciate the tip/s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 Holy CRAP Jay! That's an expensive option Sounds pretty damn amazing but Holy Crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob glow Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 They sound great Michael. Not "Pop" but great. Gonna download the Demo and have a play over the holiday. Never heard of them till you. Thanks don't dismiss them for pop stuff too quickly - I run them dry out of the virtual instrument, add some chorus or ensemble, a little hi-mid EQ bump, and they'll scream at you in a very usable way. You have to treat it like you would a real instrument, and plopping a trumpet in front a mic and hitting "record" is rarely the entire process for getting good pop horns. The key difference between classical and jazz/pop horns is really the instrument itself. You can't easily make a proper classical trumpet sound like 'pop' brass, because the bore size in the bell, the weight of the instrument and the mouthpiece used all make massive changes to the sound. With this is mind, I wouldn't recommend getting classical brass (or horn, as jazz players prefer to call them) samples to use for a specifically pop sound. It's a false economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Moth Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Imagine a bigband with a trumpet section full of Miles Davis soundalikes! A bunch of hard brass classical guys would be more appropriate in most cases. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob glow Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Yeah, it's a sweeping statement, but personally I hate that 'classical instrument attempting jazz' sound. It's just a bit s#!+. Anyway, there are enough variations in brass sound for each trumpet in a big band to sound individual and yet still sound like jazz trumpet. The variations are more down to intonation, playing style and embouchure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Holy CRAP Jay! That's an expensive option Sounds pretty damn amazing but Holy Crap! True, but what have you heard that comes even close to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeb Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 Point taken Mr Asher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonecluster Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I'll second the Garritan JABB library with the caveat that you need to put a lot of work into the midi controller automation to get it to sound good. And with a second caveat that sampled anything will never fool a player of that instrument. They've put a lot of thought into things like legato mode (if you use the sustain pedal, it'll skip the tongued part of the sound, and do some clever overlapping to get the notes to slide together properly), and mixing in key clicks and breath, etc. Just don't expect to be wowed when you load up the sounds and start plinking away at the keyboard. You need to spend some serious time sculpting after laying down the notes. However, even Garritan says their sounds aren't meant as replacements for the real thing. I think they're great for composition and experimentation. If you can afford at least one real musician, you may be able to blend her playing into the mix and come up with a convincing ensemble sound, depending on how prominent the brass is in the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonecluster Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Wow. I just listened to a couple of the Fable Sounds demos. Stunning. You get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Let's go back in time a few years to that song that you hear at Sports games ... I think the name of it is Get Ready For This by The Hit Crew .... Do any of you know if we have that type of sound in Logic? It sounds like a brass type of sound to me - but I am not good with the terminology of electronic stuff .... still learning names of things, etc. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterboy Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 I stand corrected ... it is by the group "2 Unlimited" (I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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