Wow, is it really that bad?

[alw4416]

I have just been browsing around the forum and I must say, I am amazed at all the Logic complaints/bugs! Is it really that bad? I have to confess, I switched to Pro Tools some time ago and have not looked back. This may sound crazy, but I still have some sort of strange sentimental attachment to Logic seeing as it was the app I used for the longest time and made the most music with. I must say that I am secretly hoping that it will someday truly beat out Pro Tools. That being said, I just can't see it. I don't know the details of what is truly going on behind the scenes, but it truly sounds as though Apple has really dropped the ball on a once innovative and great app. When Emagic had control of things it was their meat and potatoes, so for obvious reasons they were "on top of things". The way I see things with Apple, it's like their heads are so far stuck up their iPhone's butt and Leopard that they just appear to not care about anything else. Like I said, I want to see Logic triumph. What can we do to help? I want three simple things. The bugs fixed, an elastic audio type feature, and a beat detective feature (how long have people been asking for that one? Is anyone at Apple listening or care?). I guess this is all easier said and a whole lot less "simple" that anyone thinks to make happen. It breaks my heart the status of things with Logic as I see it now

 

P.S.

Elastic audio in Pro Tools is the greatest thing since sliced bread for electronic musicians!

[paulm]

Is it really that bad?!

 

No not at all. It's fantastic, use it everyday for pro music making and have nothing that has bothered me at all.

 

You have to remember when you come on support forum you see people with problems and/or that winge about things, you are probably seeing 2% of all logic users so it makes you wonder how the other 98% are getting on if its that bad.

[Spectacle]

Is it really that bad?!

 

No not at all. It's fantastic, use it everyday for pro music making and have nothing that has bothered me at all.

 

You have to remember when you come on support forum you see people with problems and/or that winge about things, you are probably seeing 2% of all logic users so it makes you wonder how the other 98% are getting on if its that bad.

What he said, exactly.

 

In fact, much of the complaints you see here are overblown, understandable reactions of frustration to something that has interrupted the workflow for someone who is used to things running smoothly -- because things usually do around here.

 

A large portion of the bugs turn out to be system/setup specific, and the ones that ARE general Logic bugs are not usually, in the grand scheme of things, much more than irritations that we probably complain too much about. Compared to other DAWS, and their relevant support forums, I think Logic does pretty well. Also keep in mind, we just had a .0 release, so some people's feathers are still ruffled a bit from the changes, and there are some kinks to be worked out, as always with a new major release.

 

Curious, though: what are you doing surfing Logic support forums when you don't even use the app and you're happy on Pro Tools?

[alw4416]

Is it really that bad?!

 

No not at all. It's fantastic, use it everyday for pro music making and have nothing that has bothered me at all.

 

You have to remember when you come on support forum you see people with problems and/or that winge about things, you are probably seeing 2% of all logic users so it makes you wonder how the other 98% are getting on if its that bad.

What he said, exactly.

 

In fact, much of the complaints you see here are overblown, understandable reactions of frustration to something that has interrupted the workflow for someone who is used to things running smoothly -- because things usually do around here.

 

A large portion of the bugs turn out to be system/setup specific, and the ones that ARE general Logic bugs are not usually, in the grand scheme of things, much more than irritations that we probably complain too much about. Compared to other DAWS, and their relevant support forums, I think Logic does pretty well. Also keep in mind, we just had a .0 release, so some people's feathers are still ruffled a bit from the changes, and there are some kinks to be worked out, as always with a new major release.

 

Curious, though: what are you doing surfing Logic support forums when you don't even use the app and you're happy on Pro Tools?

 

As I said in my post, I was once a huge Logic user and want to see it succeed in a major way. I am still a fan and want to use it with Pro Tools, I am just so leery because of everything I have read. That and I still can't believe there is no beat detective or elastic audio features like in Pro Tools. Don't misunderstand me. I am cheering for Logic.

[Radley]

Elastic Time and Beat Detective are the state-of-the-art for digital audio, period. No excuses. They are not fluff, but extremely creative and usable tools for the gifted musician/composer/producer. And from what I am hearing, even Pro Tools 7.4 LE runs much better than the new, "improved" Logic 8.

 

Come on people, let's give credit where credit is due, and this time it is NOT the home team...

 

Apple had best play some serious catch-up in the next six months or people will ditch Logic as fast as they bought it, and that would be a tragedy.

[Meezy]

Is it really that bad?!

 

I still can't believe there is no beat detective or elastic audio features like in Pro Tools. Don't misunderstand me. I am cheering for Logic.

 

But you can turn any audio or midi into an Apple Loop in a matter of seconds. . . There's also beat mapping if you don't want to change the feel.

I haven't got Logic 8 yet due to not having intel yet I use Pro Tools LE and Logic Pro 7. In my opinion the only thing I don't like about Logic Pro 7 is it is complicated compared to Pro Tools. I can always find a way to anything I want in either but find Logic better for creating and Tools for recording. A lot of users on this forum would say that that's because I'm not a power user but I started learning both Logic and Pro Tools at the same time at uni coming from a Cubase SX background and found Pro Tools faster to learn (2 windows). Logic 8 seems to have fixed this by making Logic more "mac like" so I'm looking forward to being able to afford my new computer with Logic studio.

 

Can someone buy me a imac and the upgrade to studio? I feel left out on this forum now

[alw4416]

Is it really that bad?!

 

I still can't believe there is no beat detective or elastic audio features like in Pro Tools. Don't misunderstand me. I am cheering for Logic.

 

But you can turn any audio or midi into an Apple Loop in a matter of seconds. . . There's also beat mapping if you don't want to change the feel.

I haven't got Logic 8 yet due to not having intel yet I use Pro Tools LE and Logic Pro 7. In my opinion the only thing I don't like about Logic Pro 7 is it is complicated compared to Pro Tools. I can always find a way to anything I want in either but find Logic better for creating and Tools for recording. A lot of users on this forum would say that that's because I'm not a power user but I started learning both Logic and Pro Tools at the same time at uni coming from a Cubase SX background and found Pro Tools faster to learn (2 windows). Logic 8 seems to have fixed this by making Logic more "mac like" so I'm looking forward to being able to afford my new computer with Logic studio.

 

Can someone buy me a imac and the upgrade to studio? I feel left out on this forum now

 

I started this thread as a sincere person who once loved Logic and cares about it's future. I wish we as users could do more. It is SERIOUSLY sad that people have been asking for features for like 3 years now that have yet to show up. I am rarely if at all even aware of any bugs in Pro Tools, and Digidesign is all over getting updates out super fast and regular. Since Apple's acquisition of Emagic things have slowed to a crawl and even a stand still at times. I am totally down with learning a way to be as fast and efficient with "elastic audio" and "beat detective" type features in Logic, I just don't see the capabilities there yet. Apple loops are not the same philosophy as beat detective and elastic audio, not even close.

[Spectacle]

OK. Your opinion has been heard. And you make some good points. Yes, the elastic time option looks like it is headed down a good road, but so is Logic's new quick-swipe comping. And no one's not giving Pro Tools credit here.

 

But I have to say, Logic 8 has been really GREAT for me. No complaints whatsoever. Just like you with Pro Tools. I haven't experienced really any of the bugs people have mentioned on here, and my system has NEVER crashed since I've upgraded to version 8. And I've helped several people solve their problems. Often the "Logic 8 is a big pile of stinking dung"-titled threads turn out to be something where it has nothing to do with Logic at all, such as the original poster didn't have his external drive formatted properly.

 

And sure, some of the things that people are complaining about loud and frequently are reproduceable on my system, but they're usually things that seem major to others, but are just minor blips for me or changes that I find will ultimately make for better workflow. For example, another ominously titled recent thread might have led you to think that everything is falling apart with Logic's ability to open windows properly. But it turns out that it was just that the original poster was unhappy with some added functionality where version 8 gives you different options for what happens when you double-click on a midi region, so the old single choice now requires you to hold down the option key while you double-click, since simply double clicking does something else. He was frustrated because he's been doing things a certain way for a long time, so he didn't like the change of having to hold down the option button now. And he understandably wishes Apple had given us the option to customize this particular functionality. But is this broken? No. Is it a bug? No. Times change, and they're changing the app. I happen to actually like the new way better, but maybe that's just me.

 

The point is, you've left the app, and have gone to a place you like. Fantastic. Good luck with it. Seriously. But I'm not sure we need you coming on here and injecting further negativity when the negativity that is here is actually pretty minimal and even then usually overdone. I don't go onto Pro Tools forums and "commiserate" with those users about various bugs in 7.4 that many of my colleagues have complained about. I don't go tell them how it really sucks that Digidesign chains you to either their absurdly overpriced HD line or their crap-limited LE and M-powered hardware and stripped-down functionality, all still for significantly more money than the amazing bang-for-the-buck you get with Logic Studio. Why would I do that?

 

Thanks for "pulling for Logic", but it really doesn't need your help. For me, it has made leaps and bounds since Apple bought it, and it is now a FANTASTIC set of tools for composing, recording, and mixing. I'm sure we'll see the Beat Detective and Elastic Time types of things soon enough -- they have been pretty busy rewriting the app from the ground up, and now that it is fully Apple-fied in version 8, I'm expecting even more big things from it in coming upgrades. In the meantime, if you want to quantize multi-track drums more quickly, then use Pro Tools for that. But for just about everything else, I prefer Logic 8. And as I said, for a whole bunch of us, it has been essentially bug-free and the most stable app I have ever used on any system.

[alw4416]

OK. Your opinion has been heard. And you make some good points. Yes, the elastic time option looks like it is headed down a good road, but so is Logic's new quick-swipe comping. And no one's not giving Pro Tools credit here.

 

But I have to say, Logic 8 has been really GREAT for me. No complaints whatsoever. Just like you with Pro Tools. I haven't experienced really any of the bugs people have mentioned on here, and my system has NEVER crashed since I've upgraded to version 8. And I've helped several people solve their problems. Often the "Logic 8 is a big pile of stinking dung"-titled threads turn out to be something where it has nothing to do with Logic at all, such as the original poster didn't have his external drive formatted properly.

 

And sure, some of the things that people are complaining about loud and frequently are reproduceable on my system, but they're usually things that seem major to others, but are just minor blips for me or changes that I find will ultimately make for better workflow. For example, another ominously titled recent thread might have led you to think that everything is falling apart with Logic's ability to open windows properly. But it turns out that it was just that the original poster was unhappy with some added functionality where version 8 gives you different options for what happens when you double-click on a midi region, so the old single choice now requires you to hold down the option key while you double-click, since simply double clicking does something else. He was frustrated because he's been doing things a certain way for a long time, so he didn't like the change of having to hold down the option button now. And he understandably wishes Apple had given us the option to customize this particular functionality. But is this broken? No. Is it a bug? No. Times change, and they're changing the app. I happen to actually like the new way better, but maybe that's just me.

 

The point is, you've left the app, and have gone to a place you like. Fantastic. Good luck with it. Seriously. But I'm not sure we need you coming on here and injecting further negativity when the negativity that is here is actually pretty minimal and even then usually overdone. I don't go onto Pro Tools forums and "commiserate" with those users about various bugs in 7.4 that many of my colleagues have complained about. I don't go tell them how it really sucks that Digidesign chains you to either their absurdly overpriced HD line or their crap-limited LE and M-powered hardware and stripped-down functionality, all still for significantly more money than the amazing bang-for-the-buck you get with Logic Studio. Why would I do that?

 

Thanks for "pulling for Logic", but it really doesn't need your help. For me, it has made leaps and bounds since Apple bought it, and it is now a FANTASTIC set of tools for composing, recording, and mixing. I'm sure we'll see the Beat Detective and Elastic Time types of things soon enough -- they have been pretty busy rewriting the app from the ground up, and now that it is fully Apple-fied in version 8, I'm expecting even more big things from it in coming upgrades. In the meantime, if you want to quantize multi-track drums more quickly, then use Pro Tools for that. But for just about everything else, I prefer Logic 8. And as I said, for a whole bunch of us, it has been essentially bug-free and the most stable app I have ever used on any system.

 

WOW, sorry that you took it that way. I guess you did not read my entire thread. Seems as though I hit a nerve. I was saying that I would like to utilize both apps, so to come off like 'go back to Pro Tools' land is totally unwarranted and downright rude. I was not on here bitching but merely inquiring as to what the negative hype is all about. I am just as much a Logic user as you or anyone else on here and just as entitled to post. I started on Logic long before I ever ventured to Pro Tools. You really come off sounding like a little kid that just had his candy stolen. If I hit a nerve I apologize but it is replies like that, that just lead one to consider even more that there might really be problems with Logic, hence the defensive stance. In an ideal world my workflow would consist of composing in Logic and tracking in Pro Tools. Be careful how you come off as you just might scare off the next potential inquiring Logic user. You don't work for Apple do you? I'm with you Radley!

[Spectacle]

WOW, sorry that you took it that way. I guess you did not read my entire thread. Seems as though I hit a nerve. I was saying that I would like to utilize both apps, so to come off like 'go back to Pro Tools' land is totally unwarranted and downright rude. I was not on here bitching but merely inquiring as to what the negative hype is all about. I am just as much a Logic user as you or anyone else on here and just as entitled to post. I started on Logic long before I ever ventured to Pro Tools. You really come off sounding like a little kid that just had his candy stolen. If I hit a nerve I apologize but it is replies like that, that just lead one to consider even more that there might really be problems with Logic, hence the defensive stance. In an ideal world my workflow would consist of composing in Logic and tracking in Pro Tools. Be careful how you come off as you just might scare off the next potential inquiring Logic user. You don't work for Apple do you? I'm with you Radley!

Not so fast. Don't just dismiss me like that. I read each of your posts closely. No nerve touched at all. No overreaction. And I wasn't being rude. You said you had left Logic years ago to go work on Pro Tools. At several points in this post here, though, you have been rude to me. Whatever, no big deal. I don't expect it's personal. I am merely pointing out that you are overplaying the negativity on here, and I, like others here, am saying that even if you see such negativity, it is not representative of the state of the app.

 

Your thread is titled "Wow, is it really that bad???" Think about that for a second. And you said in your first post "The way I see things with Apple, it's like their heads are so far stuck up their iPhone's butt and Leopard that they just appear to not care about anything else." Hmmm. I'm just simply saying no, it isn't bad at all. In fact, it's pretty great. Not a kid. My candy is still firmly in my hands. Your statements just required a detailed response. And no, Radley isn't right with regard to general performance. For me, and for whole bunches of my fellow Logic users, Logic 8 is more stable than Logic 7, and from what I've seen, it has fewer bugs at this point than PT 7.4.

 

But again, seriously, no one is dissing Pro Tools. Great app. I'm not even sure where Radley pulled that from. Go read the thread above his point. No one said that those features were fluff. In fact, you're the only guy who mentioned them. And you didn't say you wanted to use both apps, you said you secretly wanted Logic to beat out Pro Tools. I don't even care if Logic "kills" Pro Tools (I can't even believe that this is turning into one of those types of threads ). Both have their place, and the continued competition is better for all of us.

 

As for people ditching Logic? I don't have much of a stake invested in what they do, but all signs right now point to things moving in precisely the opposite direction. I mean, they've just released a major, incomprehensibly comprehensive package that is a really nice upgrade, remarkably stable, and at the same time they've cut the price IN HALF.

[alw4416]

WOW, sorry that you took it that way. I guess you did not read my entire thread. Seems as though I hit a nerve. I was saying that I would like to utilize both apps, so to come off like 'go back to Pro Tools' land is totally unwarranted and downright rude. I was not on here bitching but merely inquiring as to what the negative hype is all about. I am just as much a Logic user as you or anyone else on here and just as entitled to post. I started on Logic long before I ever ventured to Pro Tools. You really come off sounding like a little kid that just had his candy stolen. If I hit a nerve I apologize but it is replies like that, that just lead one to consider even more that there might really be problems with Logic, hence the defensive stance. In an ideal world my workflow would consist of composing in Logic and tracking in Pro Tools. Be careful how you come off as you just might scare off the next potential inquiring Logic user. You don't work for Apple do you? I'm with you Radley!

Not so fast. Don't just dismiss me like that. I read each of your posts closely. No nerve touched at all. No overreaction. And I wasn't being rude. You said you had left Logic years ago to go work on Pro Tools. At several points in this post here, though, you have been rude to me. Whatever, no big deal. I don't expect it's personal. I am merely pointing out that you are overplaying the negativity on here, and I, like others here, am saying that even if you see such negativity, it is not representative of the state of the app.

 

Your thread is titled "Wow, is it really that bad???" Think about that for a second. I'm just simply saying no, it isn't bad at all. In fact, it's pretty great. Not a kid. My candy is still firmly in my hands. Your statements just required a detailed response. And no, Radley isn't right with regard to general performance. For me, and for whole bunches of my fellow Logic users, Logic 8 is more stable than Logic 7, and from what I've seen, it has fewer bugs at this point than PT 7.4. But again, seriously, no one is dissing Pro Tools. Great app. I'm not even sure where Radley pulled that from. Go read the thread above his point. No one said that those features were fluff. In fact, you're the only guy who mentioned them. And you didn't say you wanted to use both apps, you said you secretly wanted Logic to beat out Pro Tools. I don't even care if Logic "kills" Pro Tools (I can't even believe that this is turning into one of those types of threads ). Both have their place, and the continued competition is better for all of us.

 

As for people ditching Logic? I don't have much of a stake invested in what they do, but all signs right now point to things moving in precisely the opposite direction. I mean, they've just released a major, incomprehensibly comprehensive package that is a really nice upgrade, remarkably stable, and at the same time they've cut the price IN HALF.

 

We will have to agree to disagree that Pro Tools has more bugs than Logic, but then I use Pro Tools all the time. We don't need to get into a huge he said she said about that, but I am a firm member of the DUC and don't see NEAR the whine threads as I do on the Logic forums. Anyway, I apologize for coming off negative. I thought I did say that I would like to use both. Ideally I would. It is my hope to someday have the workflow of Logic=compose and Pro Tools=track and mix. I will leave it at that. I can agree that Logic was, could, and should be the king of composing. I would just really love to see Apple step up and more quickly implement some features that people have been asking for, for as long as I can remember. Cheers!

[thumpmonk]

But you can turn any audio or midi into an Apple Loop in a matter of seconds. . . There's also beat mapping if you don't want to change the feel.

 

apple loops utility is truly elastic audio the HARD way. look, a few years ago (like 4-5), sure, i could see using it. but having a separate application open up for something that ableton live does on the fly in the main window, and that protools does fairly easily? and beat mapping? c'mon.

 

right there is where apple should have gone "DOH", we need that, and we need to 'one-up' it somehow.

 

that said, 8 is a great overhaul. im enjoying it on my first day with it. it doesnt, however feel like apple has the same passion and fire to grab and dominate marketshare in host audio apps that so many other companies seem to show. i feel like with the talent at apple, if they wanted elastic audio and other begged for features in the app, it would have all been there. and not to harp on elastic audio, but its not a feature really. its a change in method that can vastly effect your workflow if you are into it. thats why its a big deal.

 

apple didnt even talk to us, the user base about this upgrade very much. i remember that being the subject of multiple threads for a year leading up to this release. whats the delay, why no word, whats gonna be in the new version, is there gonna be a new version? etc. ableton forums are flooded with user/developer dialogues. im not saying there was NO feedback or consultation, but it felt a bit like a closed door.

 

i prefer logic for tracking live stuff, and its plugin compliment is lovely. im not dogging logic or logic users. really just apple a bit. i almost exclusively do all my programming in live now. its just up to date (in my opinion of course.)

[DVal]

Had pro tools.. liked pro tools. Got logic.... LOVE Logic. IMHO, it is simply unbeatable in terms music production. Pro tools is a nice recording software, but not ready to take on Logic in terms of creating music. (sorry for the Pro tool vs. Logic blurb... really not trying to go there. Both have strengths and weaknesses) I must agree that I was surprised to hear as much complaining as I did when the new update came out, because I have had no problems thus far either. (except knuckle-headed ones that were self induced). To answer your original question and to concur with Spectacle....... Absolutely Not. Logic 8 is awesome.

[liquidlogic]

Well here is my TWO cents. I had a Protools 002R and had nothing but problems with it. never got it to work right and I was never comfortable with using it to record a gig. I called Digi to help me and the first question was, "Is your computer on the compatibility list? I said, no, and the guy literally hung up on me. " that is true no B.S'n

 

If your application has to have a hardware compatibility list. It might be a redneck program.

 

Digi still to this day doesnt support 10.4.9 -.10 -.11.

 

The Mbox2 is still USB 1.1 not even USB 2. - the Mbox2 Pro is firewire at $700

 

And people really need to remember the difference between Protools TDM and Protools LE.

 

Now for logic. I got my Logic 8 my Apogee Duet/ Motu Traveler and Macbook.

 

I am so confident with it (not crashing) that I walked up to a guy running sound for a Popular Nashville Singer and offered to record the show for free. He said Okay and I recorded 16 channels 24 bit 48k for close to 2.5 hours with a Motu Traveler not one crash or hickup.

 

Logic is solid Protools TDM is solid Protools LE can stay out of my house. But I am sure it will get better some day.

[dkgross]

ll...that's a great story!! Give's me a little extra faith in Logic!!

 

 

gotta say, tho...my PT 7.3.1 LE rig on my Quad G5 (mBox 2 Pro) is solid as a rock...and I've also used it on my MacBook Pro, with a Motu box for timecode sync, to do audio post on location at a trade show, synced to Digibeta...(I've got the DV Toolkit 2)...no issues at all.

 

but yeah...the 'if it ain' on the list..buh bye' crapola is for the birds.

[LogicGeek]

This is an amazing thread. This guy writes about how he used to use Logic, switched to Pro Tools, but is secretly pulling for Logic, despite it being the underdog. And we are all writing back these long, thoughtful treatise. He "didn't look back " after making the switch but yet is reading and posting on a Logic forum - and by the way, he has a total of 8 posts. Hmm? I wonder if you totaled up all of the minutes spent by everyone writing in this thread if you would have enough time to say, mix a hit song. And now I'm spending time writing here too. Aghh!

 

Apple is a retail company that wants to sell products. Right now, Logic is selling better than ever. At our local Guitar Center, they are rolling out box after box of Logic Studio. The Pro Tools LE and m-powered Christmas Special "get yourself started with a studio" special packs are just sitting there on the floor. Even the pro audio department manager, himself a die-hard pro-tools user for 10 years is always overheard saying to uncertain customers: You would have to be crazy not to buy Logic Studio for everything that you get with it. Consumer-grade, Pr0-grade, grandma-grade . . whatever. Logic is selling like mad. Apple is doing something right.

[Homina]

The point is, you've left the app, and have gone to a place you like. Fantastic. Good luck with it. Seriously. But I'm not sure we need you coming on here and injecting further negativity when the negativity that is here is actually pretty minimal and even then usually overdone. I don't go onto Pro Tools forums and "commiserate" with those users about various bugs in 7.4 that many of my colleagues have complained about. I don't go tell them how it really sucks that Digidesign chains you to either their absurdly overpriced HD line or their crap-limited LE and M-powered hardware and stripped-down functionality, all still for significantly more money than the amazing bang-for-the-buck you get with Logic Studio. Why would I do that?

 

So, what do you really think, Spectacle? I hope someday that you learn not to mince your words so much. 8)

 

For the record, Spectacle is right on the money - except that I'm sure this board doesn't need anybody's drive-by negativity, even if Spectacle is not so sure. The original post was a slap, no question about it. I also think the poster has been treated quite civilly. If you actually do care about Logic's future, then perhaps statements like "Apple has really dropped the ball," and "heads are so far up their iPhone's butt," are not ideal phrases with which to convey the depth and sincerity of your concern. And for someone who has "switched...and have not looked back," you seem to be doing a lot of looking back in this thread.

 

I'm still undecided about LP8. When I decide, I won't be advising anybody of it; I'll just use my chosen application. If you prefer PT, then use it.

[AllyMusicGirl]

lol - here we go again...

[el-bo]

hey dave....look who's just pulled up to springfield........

 

 

 

just digging those avatars, guys........

 

 

 

[monkeyweasel]

man there's some touchy people on this thread

 

anyone would think someone was dissing on yr mothers, not a commercial product. whats with the stupid blind loyalty to multinational corporations? they certainly wouldnt return the favour...all they want is yr cash anyway

 

logic is great. but i'm sure protools is too

 

get a fckin life

[Ashermusic]

man there's some touchy people on this thread

 

anyone would think someone was dissing on yr mothers, not a commercial product. whats with the stupid blind loyalty to multinational corporations? they certainly wouldnt return the favour...all they want is yr cash anyway

 

logic is great. but i'm sure protools is too

 

get a fckin life

 

My loyalty is not to Apple but I do feel loyal to the original Emagic developers who still are the one doing Logic Pro as I have known some of them since Notator on the Atari in the early 90's. They are fine fellows and really do care about what they do.

 

I have no problem with those who have legitimate issues with Logic Pro regarding bugs, poor design implementation/choices, etc.

 

I only tend to jump on those who repeatedly write stupid things like "Logic is now Garageband Pro", Pros can't use it", "It is a piece of you know what", etc.

 

I have little patience for those who use this forum as a place to vent. We are not paid to be therapists here

[dkgross]

lol - here we go again...

 

LOLOL Ally...NICE pic

 

 

mmmm.....new girl in Springfield...mmmmm

 

 

[alw4416]

This is an amazing thread. This guy writes about how he used to use Logic, switched to Pro Tools, but is secretly pulling for Logic, despite it being the underdog. And we are all writing back these long, thoughtful treatise. He "didn't look back " after making the switch but yet is reading and posting on a Logic forum - and by the way, he has a total of 8 posts. Hmm? I wonder if you totaled up all of the minutes spent by everyone writing in this thread if you would have enough time to say, mix a hit song. And now I'm spending time writing here too. Aghh!

 

Apple is a retail company that wants to sell products. Right now, Logic is selling better than ever. At our local Guitar Center, they are rolling out box after box of Logic Studio. The Pro Tools LE and m-powered Christmas Special "get yourself started with a studio" special packs are just sitting there on the floor. Even the pro audio department manager, himself a die-hard pro-tools user for 10 years is always overheard saying to uncertain customers: You would have to be crazy not to buy Logic Studio for everything that you get with it. Consumer-grade, Pr0-grade, grandma-grade . . whatever. Logic is selling like mad. Apple is doing something right.

 

Once again read my ENTIRE post! Who cares how many posts I have? I am busy making music. Just pondering the jump to L8 and thought I would discuss my thoughts and concerns. Stop jumping down my back. I haven't come to crush your "Holy Grail".

[alw4416]

This is an amazing thread. This guy writes about how he used to use Logic, switched to Pro Tools, but is secretly pulling for Logic, despite it being the underdog. And we are all writing back these long, thoughtful treatise. He "didn't look back " after making the switch but yet is reading and posting on a Logic forum - and by the way, he has a total of 8 posts. Hmm? I wonder if you totaled up all of the minutes spent by everyone writing in this thread if you would have enough time to say, mix a hit song. And now I'm spending time writing here too. Aghh!

 

Apple is a retail company that wants to sell products. Right now, Logic is selling better than ever. At our local Guitar Center, they are rolling out box after box of Logic Studio. The Pro Tools LE and m-powered Christmas Special "get yourself started with a studio" special packs are just sitting there on the floor. Even the pro audio department manager, himself a die-hard pro-tools user for 10 years is always overheard saying to uncertain customers: You would have to be crazy not to buy Logic Studio for everything that you get with it. Consumer-grade, Pr0-grade, grandma-grade . . whatever. Logic is selling like mad. Apple is doing something right.

 

Once again read my ENTIRE post! Who cares how many posts I have? I am busy making music. Just pondering the jump to L8 and thought I would discuss my thoughts and concerns. Stop jumping down my back. I haven't come to crush your "Holy Grail". By the way, I never said ANYTHING about it being the underdog, those were your words..hmmm Sorry for the double post. Stupid server.

[alw4416]

man there's some touchy people on this thread

 

anyone would think someone was dissing on yr mothers, not a commercial product. whats with the stupid blind loyalty to multinational corporations? they certainly wouldnt return the favour...all they want is yr cash anyway

 

logic is great. but i'm sure protools is too

 

get a fckin life

 

My loyalty is not to Apple but I do feel loyal to the original Emagic developers who still are the one doing Logic Pro as I have known some of them since Notator on the Atari in the early 90's. They are fine fellows and really do care about what they do.

 

I have no problem with those who have legitimate issues with Logic Pro regarding bugs, poor design implementation/choices, etc.

 

I only tend to jump on those who repeatedly write stupid things like "Logic is now Garageband Pro", Pros can't use it", "It is a piece of you know what", etc.

 

I have little patience for those who use this forum as a place to vent. We are not paid to be therapists here

 

I have never once even insinuated such a thing. Sorry there are people doing that. I completely disagree that it is a hyped garageband.

[Homina]

Monkeyweasel --

 

Put it where the sun don't shine, pal.

[alw4416]

Monkeyweasel --

 

Put it where the sun don't shine, pal.

 

LOL

[fader8]

....look who's just pulled up to springfield........

 

I've yet to convince Ally that the music is far better here in Pepperland than it ever will be in Springfield.

 

This thread is actually quite fascinating from a musicological standpoint as it highlights the change in compositional mentality that's been taking place over the past few years.

 

It's interesting that the OP is a composer coming from Logic and switching to Pro Tools. It's clear that the many compositional features in Logic that are clearly missing in Pro Tools are simply not required by many composers these days. I'm not saying that's bad, just interesting as it reveals how there are two evolving and distinctive camps when it comes to computer based composition these days.

 

Is Elastic Audio a compositional tool? The traditional camp would say no, but the experimental and electronic/dance music camp would say yes, definitely.

 

There's a lot to learn from both sides and I don't think that the existence of these two camps should necessitate a polarized discourse. There's simply no basis in argument when it comes to creative tools. The artist with a blowtorch and steel can create something just as beautiful as the artist with the brush and canvas.

[alw4416]

....look who's just pulled up to springfield........

 

I've yet to convince Ally that the music is far better here in Pepperland than it ever will be in Springfield.

 

This thread is actually quite fascinating from a musicological standpoint as it highlights the change in compositional mentality that's been taking place over the past few years.

 

It's interesting that the OP is a composer coming from Logic and switching to Pro Tools. It's clear that the many compositional features in Logic that are clearly missing in Pro Tools are simply not required by many composers these days. I'm not saying that's bad, just interesting as it reveals how there are two evolving and distinctive camps when it comes to computer based composition these days.

 

Is Elastic Audio a compositional tool? The traditional camp would say no, but the experimental and electronic/dance music camp would say yes, definitely.

 

There's a lot to learn from both sides and I don't think that the existence of these two camps should necessitate a polarized discourse. There's simply no basis in argument when it comes to creative tools. The artist with a blowtorch and steel can create something just as beautiful as the artist with the brush and canvas.

 

Great points and much appreciated. It so happens I am very much an electronic artist/producer and you are right, that is why beat detective and elastic audio are indispensable to me.

[alw4416]

Dave

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