s-shaped curves and extended curvature range for fades

[amundsen]

I like the easy way one can build fades in Logic but at the moment this software lacks two features to be really professional in this field :

- ability to create s-shaped curves;

- extended curvature range when creating logarithmic or exponential curves.

[Waterboy]

I know that pages 344 and 345 in the manual talks about curves.

 

I know I have seen the "S" shape curve before on a MacPro Video - so I know it can be done.

 

Check those (2) pages of the manual .....

[David Nahmani]

You mean like this?

[mikehurst]

According to Martin Sitter's Logic 101 video.... all you have to do in order to create hyperdraw or automation curves, is hold option and control while dragging the line. When I do this, it just turns into the magnifying glass. I have Logic pro 7.2

 

Whats the deal here?

 

I remember this working in the past.

 

I checked for key commands listed by "curve" "automation" and "hyperdraw" but nothing came up.

[David Nahmani]

According to Martin Sitter's Logic 101 video.... all you have to do in order to create hyperdraw or automation curves, is hold option and control while dragging the line. When I do this, it just turns into the magnifying glass. I have Logic pro 7.2

 

In Hyper Draw, Control-Option can only curve an existing line between two different values. Then you drag it vertically or horizontally for regular or S curves.

 

But here we're talking about fades, not Hyper Draw (Hyper Draw would automate the volume at the output of a channel strip, while fades change the volume of the audio file played by the track, so before it enters the first plug-in. The results are quite different.

[mikehurst]

Woops, didnt understand the difference .

 

I have two points set at different values, creating a diagonal slope in my hyperdraw. When I option control drag....I still just get the magnifying glass.

 

Is there a key command for this that Im not finding?

[David Nahmani]

I think now I remember this not working in L7 in the Arrange window. It should work fine in a MIDI editor.

[mikehurst]

David you are a wealth of knowledge. Just checked the sitter video, and he is indeed using it inside a midi editor. I tried it and it worked on my song. The end of my remix now has a beautiful S curve on it. I feel so relieved.

 

Thanks for your help!!!

[David Nahmani]

Cool!

[amundsen]

You mean like this?

 

Sorry to react so lately to the answers to my inital question.

 

Thank you for the solution. However, how do yo get to this "fade" window in Logic Pro 8, David? I see only the inspector in the arrange window, and there s-curves seem available for crossfades only, not for fade-ins nor fade-outs.

 

Or am I missing something?

[David Nahmani]

The pic I posted is from the Sample Editor, for destructive fades. You open your audio file in the Sample Editor, and choose the fade curve in Functions > Settings.

[Holger Lagerfeldt]

But here we're talking about fades, not Hyper Draw (Hyper Draw would automate the volume at the output of a channel strip, while fades change the volume of the audio file played by the track, so before it enters the first plug-in. The results are quite different.

Well, if you're mastering in Logic pro you would refer to this as a fade too

 

Often I find myself combining fades on the audio (usually the very last second) with hyperdraw to obtain maximum smoothness.

[David Nahmani]

Well, if you're mastering in Logic pro you would refer to this as a fade too

 

Often I find myself combining fades on the audio (usually the very last second) with hyperdraw to obtain maximum smoothness.

 

It only has the same results if you're not using any plug-ins on the channel strips, otherwise it's an entirely different result. I guess you could call it a fade too, not sure about the exact terminology - but in my experience what people usually refer to as fades are volume changes that occur on the audio region itself, before the audio reaches the first plug-in on the channel strip.

[Holger Lagerfeldt]

I was just referring to the terminology.

 

Fades in mastering are 99% of the time post processing or it wouldn't actually sound like a fade as the volume would be greatly offset by the compression/limiting if it was pre-processing.

 

So you could and would refer to a hyper draw type fade simply as a fade in the case of mastering.

 

Since the original poster didn't provide any more detail in his question he could have been referring to both situations.