Fades ala PTools.. sigh..

[dkgross]

why oh why can't Logic have ONE key command that lets you take your selected region and put a default amount of fade in/fade out on just that region as you're working on it?

 

anyone that's used the Fade Tool aspect of PTools Multi-Tool knows what I'm talking about.

 

Yes...I know I can assign the Fade tool to be a command tool, but you still have to DRAW the damn fades. Yes..I can highlight 10 little edited regions after the fact, mouse to the Inspector, clik Fade In, type a number, hit enter, click Fade out, type a number, mouse back to my regions....

 

or..I SOULD BE ABLE to click/select the region I'm working on, hit Shift-F, and the damn region has a perfect default setting fade in/fade out on it.

[fader8]

Hi Dave,

 

Are you . . . . whining?

 

Or just venting!?

 

Go outside and get some fresh air.

[dkgross]

BOTH

 

yup...been at it since 8am..time to take the dogs for a little walk while the sun is sort of almost but not really out.

[JPZ]

How funny, I'm working in PT today and am wishing for the opposite. Just goes to show you nothing's perfect

[dkgross]

really? The whole 'multi tool' thing in Ptools is really a great feature. Logic has it as well, but just different. I just wish I could do the 'command F' thing and a perfect fade in/fade out based on my parameters would show up. I do a lot of sound design on the fly kinda stuff..and might take a 20 sec source, cut it in 5 places and what the exact same fades on all 5. SURE..I can do all the extra steps to use the Inspector..but, sheeesh.

[JPZ]

I can't stand PT's multi tool. I use key commands instead.

[dkgross]

Key Commands are indeed wonderful in PT as in Logic, but that Multi Tool, once you really get flying on it, is amazing...especialy for doing a LOT of fast editing...But sure, good KC's will fly as well.

 

back to my original thought A KC that did Fades like PTools is what I want

[JPZ]

Yeah, I guess to each his own. I find PT's multi tool slow and clumsy. Today I was Beat Detectiving 18 tracks of drums that are part of a 16 song live DVD. The snare's are close enough I can tighten everything without it being visually disturbing. The kicks are another matter and at times have nothing to do with the beat hahaha. So I can fix them because you can't see the drum being hit. To make things odder , the band is all using IEM's with click in all their ears because of the drummer's "issues" so if I tighten the drums to the click all is good. To make a long story longer...To do all this though I have to Beat Detective different mic groups at different times and crossfade and edit differently depending on the tracks because BD can't do all this well in one shot. I just find the PT multi tool too slow and irritating to do this and honestly keep wishing I had Logic's tools and fades. Of course there's that whole little problem of Logic not having Beat Detective......

[dkgross]

or just hire a drummer to replace it all

[FlowerPower]

Have you tried to work in Logic's Crossfade mode? If you select this (in the Drag menu), Logic will automatically apply a crossfade between all regions you place next to another region as a part of an editing process. You can also activate it with a key command.

 

Since Logic already has key commands for fade in and fade out - in the sample editor - it would be nice if they would work in the Arrange window as well (by applying a fixed length fade to the selected region(s). I wouldn't mind a command that would apply both a fade-in and a fade-out either.

 

If PT doesn't have a crossfade tool that lets you manually choose how long the fadein/fade out will be, I'd go for the Logic solution instead of a key command if I had to choose.

 

Once you get used to having the crossfade tool on the Command key (and the Marquee tool on the right mouse key), most audio editing in Logic is extrmely fast.

[marcel72]

How funny, I'm working in PT today and am wishing for the opposite. Just goes to show you nothing's perfect

Ummm...

 

With PT you have both options available.

 

Fade part(s) of smart tool, and command-F to selection or multiple selections. Fade in and out are a KC away, too, either predefined or selection based.

 

Logic's regular pointer is kinda 'smart', but could be a little bit 'smarter' with audio.

 

Audio editing is not really Logic's strong point, anyways. What Dave is really saying (he's probably not, but haha!) is that he wishes there were something better than OMF export to transfer projects between Logic and PT, in order to really take advantage of the best features of both programs.

 

Dave, I couldn't agree more.

 

LOL

[marcel72]

or just hire a drummer to replace it all

 

Yeah...

 

Before you taped the show.

[JPZ]

or just hire a drummer to replace it all

 

Yeah...

 

Before you taped the show.

 

Yeah, more easier said than done as that wasn't my call. Making money as turd polisher extraordanaire is the name of the game nowadays..unfortunately. I guess I like Logic's "smart" tool better with the modifier keys. Since BD does it's own fades it's more a matter of when you have to create custom ones.

[dkgross]

I've done my share of turd polishing in my day

[taxiway01]

Funny you should ask, because I've met my share of PT-used engineers who despise Logic precisely for the lack of this particular feature. However it may be safe to assume they'd transfer their hard feelings to some other specific difference between PT and the rest of the world, I think implementing a better fade procedure wouldn't be a luxury.

[dkgross]

yup. There's great things about both programs.

 

I'm trying to do more and more in Logic (from an audio/sound design pov) because of all the plugins, etc...but sometime I do get frustrated with the Logic Way of things, AS WELL as really enjoying learing a lot of NEW things that Logic does (Marque tool stuff is great, as well as new key commands on my keyboard overlay!).

 

here's another thing...in PTools..."Tab to next region". Say, for example..you've got 100 little regions on one track (creating/mixing a series of sound efx, e.g...). In PT..when you hit TAB...it moves the playhead to the start/end of the next region (or start/end of a fade if it's there as well). Hit Play, and the screen moves to where the play head is. When you're zoomed in really closely, this is great, becuase you don't have to know where you are..You're just zipping down the track lane.)

 

In Logic...you use the arrow keys to select the next /prev region, (but not the top/tail of a fade!!!!!!), and the playhead DOES NOT automaticly move, and neither does the screen. The region only get 'selelcted'

 

You have to set up the KeyCommand for 'Play From Selelction" (I use Shift-SpaceBar) to get the Playhead to move. It works, but no where near as efficiently, ESPECIALLY i you're trying to top/tail 100 different sounds/regions and adjust their individual fades. This is where the PTools Fade/MultiTool is a godsend.

 

(of course..I'm always up for learning a new way of navigating in Logic..so feel free to give me a tip or 5).

[Eric Wikman]

yup. There's great things about both programs.

 

In Logic...you use the arrow keys to select the next /prev region, (but not the top/tail of a fade!!!!!!), and the playhead DOES NOT automaticly move, and neither does the screen. The region only get 'selelcted'

 

Y.

 

When I nudge regions/groups of regions.. up & down the arrangement, the screen doesn't follow either.

Seems like you would want to follow along with where you are nudging to.

 

Also, the way you are missing fade tool behavior, I am also missing Volume handles ala Cubase still.

[davidpye]

What's wrong with selecting all the regions and settings the fades values in the inspector. If I want to set the fades on loads of regions, thats what I do.

 

The thing I particularly like about using this function, which is something you can't do in Protools, is set a different length for fade ins an outs on the regions all at once. When I do things like cut spill from top tracks I like to set a very short fade in, as to not interfere with the attack of the drum, but then a VERY much longer fade out, to maintain the ring of the drum. In Protools there's no way to do this only the same lengths, which is useless for this.

[JPZ]

What's wrong with selecting all the regions and settings the fades values in the inspector. If I want to set the fades on loads of regions, thats what I do.

 

The thing I particularly like about using this function, which is something you can't do in Protools, is set a different length for fade ins an outs on the regions all at once. When I do things like cut spill from top tracks I like to set a very short fade in, as to not interfere with the attack of the drum, but then a VERY much longer fade out, to maintain the ring of the drum. In Protools there's no way to do this only the same lengths, which is useless for this.

 

Here Here! Back at it again today with PT multitool and not liking it.

[dkgross]

yup...that's a GREAT example of a function of the Fade Tools in Logic that is GREAT! I've certainly used it that way. I've use the Multi Tool in PT to a point to accomplish the same thing on my drum track editing..

 

it's all the same, but it's different

[marcel72]

What's wrong with selecting all the regions and settings the fades values in the inspector. If I want to set the fades on loads of regions, thats what I do.

 

The thing I particularly like about using this function, which is something you can't do in Protools, is set a different length for fade ins an outs on the regions all at once. When I do things like cut spill from top tracks I like to set a very short fade in, as to not interfere with the attack of the drum, but then a VERY much longer fade out, to maintain the ring of the drum. In Protools there's no way to do this only the same lengths, which is useless for this.

 

Here Here! Back at it again today with PT multitool and not liking it.

 

I think you can do this in PT, with Command-F and multiple regions selected. The fades dialogue will need to be adjusted to suit, but you can do it.

 

Admittedly a little more cumbersome than in Logic.

[JPZ]

Yeah you kind of can but I prefer Logic's way of dealing with this better.