tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Ive read the apple pro training books and have been scouring the internet for information and doing my best. Its coming to that Im not producing the sound that I want. I love my equipment, apogee duet, AT 4047 Mic, and esp Logic Pro 8. My main concern is vocals, More specifically RAP vocals, and spoken word. I tried following the setting advice in the books but still not getting where I have once recorded with the help of friends. I want an in your face powerfull rap vocal that doesn't sound to bright harsh or to robotic. I cant seem to master the eq for my vocal track. I cant seem to set the compressor correctly so it doesnt have a sound to it. I cant seem to use the TAPE DELAY or any delay for that factor that doesn't have an echo to it, I just was trying to level up my sound with the delay but it just trailing the take . I guess I want to hear it but not want to hear it. I need help learning how to EQ for my style. where to set the compressor for RAP how to set a delay? Using reverb to give a bigger sound without sounding robotic? Ive read all I could and have tried every setting up and down but not getting it. All advice appreciated! I have no problem mixing the beats to my taste but getting the vocals to sit right for rap i find particularly hard, I recorded some singers and i found that much easier to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Can you post a couple sound clips? A clip of a track that you are working on with the vocal in it, processed to the best of your ability, and... A clip of the same vocal solo (acapella), dry? Then people here can have some input on how they might process it. It's difficult to know what to say unless we can hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 I would like to post a snip of a song that has been done a year ago , which is the sound I like, and a piece of the vocal now that im getting. How do I post a some tracks on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I would like to post a snip of a song that has been done a year ago , which is the sound I like, and a piece of the vocal now that im getting. How do I post a some tracks on here? Not really sure... There's an 'Add an Attachment' box just below where I am typing this, but I don't know if that works for mp3s... Try it, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I would like to post a snip of a song that has been done a year ago , which is the sound I like, and a piece of the vocal now that im getting. How do I post a some tracks on here? Better to post the same song and solo vocal. Helps eliminate some variables that way. Does not have to be your best mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 NOPE wont except mp3s or other formats i cant figure out how to put it in the format it recognizes???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 I guess nothings easy! Logic Documents -> Maximum Upload Size: 2 MB cs cst exs lso mid plist pro pst Close Window What are these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggman Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 not sure, but methinks you need to compress the song, that is zip it (control clicking in OS X should bring up the appropriate menu). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 NOPE, copressed it , wouldn't attach, stuffd it wouldnt attach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 NOPE,copressed it , wouldn't attach, stuffd it wouldnt attach. Make a new Logic session and drag the file(s) to that session. Save it as project to your desktop and compress it. That should do it. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 one more try /Users/damientapper/Desktop/vox.aif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 i have it on the desktop compressed as an aiff file but it wont let me submit it. PS this is getting to built up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 As I said you need to make a Logic session and drag the file into it. Then save the session as project and compress the Logic project folder. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 go to mediafire.com....it's free to register and use upload your file, then cut and paste the link into the forum easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 sometimes traffic is high, so rather than uploading 3 files lay all your examples back to back (with pauses) in 1 file... those interested can import it to logic and cut up the files as necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 As I said you need to make a Logic session and drag the file into it. Then save the session as project and compress the Logic project folder. i when i did that it didn't play in the new session. I dragged the bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Sorry. I don't understand what you mean? i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 go to mediafire.com....it's free to register and use upload your file, then cut and paste the link into the forum easy thanks for the advice! I put two samples in there, one is the dry take that Im basically getting and unhappy with. The other is a song Ive recorded that Im trying to reproduce the sound. Sorry I couldn't isolate that vocal because its already finished from a year ago. Be kind as these songs are probably not your flavor of music! http://www.mediafire.com/?zndykjznfzl (the dry take) http://www.mediafire.com/?ndwb41jamdh ( the song sound i like and want to reproduce) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi. The vocals sound fine to my ear. The first problem might be the performance? Second thing is that the recording is missing all the early reflections that our ears are used to hear. By adding early reflections from the reverb or from an room IR you get the vocals to sound a bit more powerful. Vocals (or instruments) tend to stand out more easily from the mix when they have (distinctive) early reflections (and reverb tail if needed) added. I made you a very rough "mix" just to give you the idea. Just bypass the Platinum Verb to hear the difference. Any help? i EarlyReflections.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 So your saying add reverb prior to recording? or add it after? I gave you the Dry Mix, so thats why It had no effects. Im still having problems with adding reverb. what about compression, and delay? by performance , It was not my most rehearsed best take? One other thing, Im contemplating returning the apogee duet for the motu ultralight which I found to be a better sound. Is the apoggee that much better than motu? Im also considering adding an external pre to that, a true P solo as when I demoed it it gave me almost the sound I want without many effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 I appreciate your input and adding somthing to that take, but thats the sound that Ive been coming up with. To me it sounds ROBOTIC, and you can really hear the reverb, that is not the case with my original song that I also posted. I cant seem to get the reverb without hearing that robotic echo? Just sounds to synthetic to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Tomasi Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 I cant seem to get the reverb without hearing that robotic echo? Just sounds to synthetic to me? That's just an inherent byproduct of the majority of software reverbs unfortunately (certain convolution reverbs excluded). Less is definately more when using what Logic offers IMO. If you really need/want pristine reverb my advice would be to use an outboard hardware reverb. Lots out there to choose from but they can definately get spendy. Choose wisely. For example: http://www.lexiconpro.com/AES_Events.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 What about the Motu MKIII that has on board effects? Not quite a hardware reverb, but maybe better than software? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Tomasi Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 What about the Motu MKIII that has on board effects? Not quite a hardware reverb, but maybe better than software? Sure. I mean, I guess if you were sold on that audio interface to begin with it would be just an added value. But you'd HAVE to be sold on the interface. I wouldn't buy it because of the DSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 well im lost now , and this has gotten me not much help. the post recorded song was worse than what I started with. I know there are peoople that know how to mix a dry take with software without it sounding robotic. this has taken a no help turn, what a waste of time. i'll go back to my original forums . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 tigershark, The short vox clip that you posted is clipping badly. So you need to solve that problem first before anything else. The example that you're trying to emulate sounds like an unclipped vox track with some careful rides, then a VCA type compressor set up post-fader, then sent in parallel to a short bright plate with just a touch of predelay. Space Designers "Bright Vocals" preset should get you started. You'll find it under Small Spaces->Plate Reverbs. But you first need to record the vox without clipping first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 tried the space designer clear vocals, but it still sounds robotic, i turned down the wet, but its either at nothing or to much echo. A sound that I like is the Tape delay, but I cant get it to line up with the vocals, so its not repeated so much after.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is it better to set the vocal level lower on the interface and be able to get closer and louder, or higher gain and step back a bit. should the track vocals mixer be set at o db? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is it better to set the vocal level lower on the interface and be able to get closer and louder, or higher gain and step back a bit. should the track vocals mixer be set at o db? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigershark Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is it better to set the vocal level lower on the interface and be able to get closer and louder, or higher gain and step back a bit. should the track vocals mixer be set at o db? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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