Quantize wise

[PMcC]

It would be great if when in the piano roll,.. we could quantize,. but not hard quantize, certain notes,. I know this is possible using transform but.

 

Being a Logic newbie I can't quite get my head around transform. It seems like a pretty complicated path to do something simple.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions on this, I thought of dissolving the track and using inspector but I'm not there in the track yet.

 

It be great if there was a preset for this,..

 

PMcC

[David Nahmani]

I"m afraid there's no answer to that question. And as far as I know there's no way to do that using the transform window. Cutting the MIDI region into smaller pieces and using the region parameter box is your best workaround.

[stevecowley]

It would be great if when in the piano roll,.. we could quantize,. but not hard quantize, certain notes,. I know this is possible using transform but.

 

Being a Logic newbie I can't quite get my head around transform. It seems like a pretty complicated path to do something simple.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions on this, I thought of dissolving the track and using inspector but I'm not there in the track yet.

 

It be great if there was a preset for this,..

 

PMcC

I'm not sure EXACTLY what you mean, but let me have a guess... It sounds like you want to select certain notes and quantize them, but not quantize them exactly in time - just make them closer to where they should be?

[David Nahmani]

I'm not sure EXACTLY what you mean, but let me have a guess... It sounds like you want to select certain notes and quantize them, but not quantize them exactly in time - just make them closer to where they should be?

 

That's what I understood as well.

[David Nahmani]

What you can easily do using the Transform window is randomize the note positions. So you could first quantize the desired notes, select them then click Functions > Transform > Humanize and in the Transform window click "Operate". Voila.

[stevecowley]

If it were me, I'd firstly select the required notes in whatever way was most sensible. For instance, rubber-banding them in the piano roll editor. Then I'd quantize them. Then I'd select Functions > Transform > Humanize. In the Transform window, hit Operate Only and the notes you've selected will be "humanized". If you only want it to affect timing, and not velocity, then set the value that is displayed in the Velocity column to 0. If you want the notes to be moved around more or less than they are, change the number in the Position column.

 

Does that help? There may well be another way to do it - that's just what I've figured out.

[Jope]

I do remember there was something like a parameter for quantization strength, but that could have been in the Notator days... Nowadays I tend to record again and again until I can live with where the notes are and maybe correct one or two manually.

[Jope]

It's still there. See p456 in the manual: "Fine-Tuning the Quantization Grid"

[toonscribe]

In Logic 7 there's definitely an easy way to set "quantize strength" for any selected notes -- which sounds like what you mean? It allows you to set a percentage representing how close to the grid it moves the notes. You can also dictate which notes are quantized and which aren't in relation to how far off they are from the hard quantization grid. (I think this is called "Q-strength"??) There's a list of quantize parameters easily accessible from the parameters box. As I recall you just click on the word "Quantize" and a box opens up.

 

Since it's a basic Logic function, I assume it's still available in Logic 8.

 

Is that what you mean?

[PMcC]

Hi guys,

 

Many thanks for all the input. Yes, I am looking to Quantize, but not hard Q

on small groups of notes (not all)

I know this is possible using the inspector Q settings but this only works on the entire region.

 

I am doing what some suggest now,.. quantizing,. then humanizing,

 

I suggest a feature whereby the inspector settings would also work with individual notes,.. in the piano roll

 

Thanks again

[fernmeister]

Quantization strength is available in the region parameters box. You may have to go edit>show extended region paramters in arrage to see the window. From there, select the notes you want and Q them in the piano roll.

[Mark R]

Hi guys,

 

Many thanks for all the input. Yes, I am looking to Quantize, but not hard Q

on small groups of notes (not all)

I know this is possible using the inspector Q settings but this only works on the entire region.

 

I am doing what some suggest now,.. quantizing,. then humanizing,

 

I suggest a feature whereby the inspector settings would also work with individual notes,.. in the piano roll

 

Thanks again

 

Maybe I'm not understanding but I do this all the time.

 

In the inspector set the Q-Strength and make sure Quantize is off.

Over in the piano roll set your Quantize value.

Select some notes and hit the Q Button.

Just the selected note nicely move the percentage you set.

 

Mark R.

[PMcC]

Hi guys,

 

Many thanks for all the input. Yes, I am looking to Quantize, but not hard Q

on small groups of notes (not all)

I know this is possible using the inspector Q settings but this only works on the entire region.

 

I am doing what some suggest now,.. quantizing,. then humanizing,

 

I suggest a feature whereby the inspector settings would also work with individual notes,.. in the piano roll

 

Thanks again

 

Maybe I'm not understanding but I do this all the time.

 

In the inspector set the Q-Strength and make sure Quantize is off.

Over in the piano roll set your Quantize value.

Select some notes and hit the Q Button.

Just the selected note nicely move the percentage you set.

 

Mark R.

 

Awesome !

 

I thought the inspector settings were global to the entire region,.

Learn something new everyday !

 

Thanks Cats!

 

PMcC

[Mark R]

Awesome !

 

I thought the inspector settings were global to the entire region,.

Learn something new everyday !

 

Thanks Cats!

 

PMcC

 

There are a couple of gotchas with this individual note quantization.

I do sometimes wish the piano roll quantization was separate from region quantization,

but “Apply Quantization Settings Destructively” is an okay work-around.

 

From the Manual p.460

Important: Use of region-based quantization after you have individually quantized note events within a MIDI region will override your event-based quantizations, so take care! It may be worthwhile writing such changes into the region by following the instructions outlined in “Making Quantization Permanent” on page 458. This way, all of your hard work creating a number of individual event quantizations will not be lost by quantizing the wrong region.

 

Mark R.

[PMcC]

good point,

I was just wondering, and about to use,

 

"apply Quantization settings destructivley"

 

But I think, this will re Quantize the entire region,..

 

I don't see

 

"Make Q permanent"

 

where is that?

 

PM

[PMcC]

I see now,

Page 458,.. this makes no sense at all because after all the hard work applying individual Quantizing, in order to make it permanent you must use

 

"apply Q destructively"

 

which them requantizes the entire region,.. so what's the point?

 

or does it?

[Mark R]

good point,

I was just wondering, and about to use,

 

"apply Quantization settings destructivley"

 

But I think, this will re Quantize the entire region,..

 

I don't see

 

"Make Q permanent"

 

where is that?

 

PM

 

Yes you have the right command. I quoted the Manual section name. Will edit my post and use the command name.

 

That's the thing...

Logic wants you to "Apply Quantization Settings Destructively" between any changes to the settings - otherwise it all disappears.

 

Mark R

[Mark R]

I see now,

Page 458,.. this makes no sense at all because after all the hard work applying individual Quantizing, in order to make it permanent you must use

 

"apply Q destructively"

 

which them requantizes the entire region,.. so what's the point?

 

or does it?

 

If you have been careful to leave the region's Quantization value "Off"

and only quantized individual note in the piano roll, this technique works great.

After using "apply Q destructively" the Q-Strength gets reset to 100% ready to go again.

 

Mark R.

[PMcC]

OK,

so I just spot quantized notes in a region just right,..

 

Then when I used the "Destructive" command,.. it requantized the entire region.

 

So, I miss the point to this,.. unless I am doing something wrong?

 

PMcC

[Mark R]

OK, so I just spot quantized notes in a region just right,..

 

Then when I used the "Destructive" command,.. it requantized the entire region.

 

So, I miss the point to this,.. unless I am doing something wrong?

 

Only the spot quantized notes are moved permanently.

You can now repeat the technique with different values for other notes.

Is this not what you wanted to do?

 

Mark R.

[PMcC]

it is,. but it seems like they are moved again.

 

Peter