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Logic Pro 8 vs. Sonar 7 PE vs. Reaper 2.53?


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Hey guys what's up. I recently joined this board after sparking an interest in Logic as a possible DAW for my audio/midi recording needs. I really like the layout of this place and look forward to hearing about all the great stuff that's discussed on here.

 

With that in mind, I was hoping you guys could help me out a bit. This question is directed to those of you who have used Sonar or Reaper:

 

"In your opinion, why did you decide to use Logic? And if you've ever used Sonar or Reaper in the past, what was it about these DAWs that you didn't like and ultimately found in Logic?"

 

I'm debating whether to purchase Logic Studio or Nuendo 4 but to be honest, I'm really leaning towards Logic : )

 

Thanks and I look forward to your replies.

 

Peace.

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Hi there,

 

I have used both Sonar and Reaper (as I am forced to us a PC in some circumstances). I have to say that I don't have the latest version of Sonar 8, so some of these comments may have been rectified.

 

The main reason I use Logic over the others :-

 

Stability

No need to spend a day configuring a PC to work with a soundcard only to get drop outs

Confidence, the are both great programs, but Sonar has crashed so many times on my that it feels scary to use it, you never really know if you are going to make it to the end of the track (I should mention this is on a specialist built PC)

 

Sonar specific (at the point in time I switched)

No ability to lock a clip to SMPTE time (there rendering it useless for film work)

No ability to move the cursor by anything other than a bar (i.e need to move by frames...you can't unless you do it in the video window and then click back to the arrange window, at which point 9 times out of ten you loose the spot)

No proper rewind/fast forward functionality

Very very poor score editor

 

The other gripe I have is that I find the user forums apauling, I was called all manner of things because I dared to ask about the items above. Things along the lines of "hey jack ass what do you know about recording...what is this SMPTE stuff, some plugin, that is why you can't get it to work"!!! That was the mild stuff!

 

I do actually like reaper, it's midi is lacking but in terms of audio it is pretty cool and also in my experience more robust than Sonar

 

Please don't think I am knocking Sonar, it is a great application, but Logic to me is something I can rely on to get the job done, rather than pressing control + S every two minutes! With pressing deadlines that is the most important thing!

 

To give you a case in point, I was tracking last weekend in a studio which the guy had just brought a new PC and Sonar 7. I was using my MBP and Logic and recording 8 tracks for two days solid there, not a glitch. We tried to record two tracks in sonar and got drop outs! Summed it all up for me!

 

I hate DAW wars, whatever works for you. Logic is the one that does the job for me, and actually makes it enjoyable!

 

Peace

 

Neil

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First the obvious, If you got a pc then Logic Pro isn't an option, if you got a mac Sonar isn't an option and Reaper costs a tenth (no-commerical license) of the others.

 

So if you're just starting out and want to record for fun and mess around for a bit to get into the basics Reaper is the to go, but if you want something more evolved, complete and "professional" it just depends on wheather you've got a Mac or not.

 

Now i love my imac and macbook to pieces, but i still also use pc's. I prefer Sonar over Cubase for making electronic music since it these days come with a very very good suite of plug-ins that blows most bundled daw-software away. I think Reaper is more akin to a lighter Pro Tools than a fully featured software daw. However, i'd definently pick Logic over Sonar any day, it's easily the most fully featured and customizable daw on the market and the workflow is great once you get rid of your bad pc habits.

 

So, to sum up:

a) Do you want something in the lower or higher range?

If Lower then = Reaper, if Higher then >

b) Are you using a mac or pc?

If Mac then = Logic, if PC then = Sonar

 

There's your answer.

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Thought I'd put in my 2 cents about the Sonar, Logic, Reaper question.

 

I spent 7 years working with Sonar (up to version 6).

I loved it. The amazing thing about Sonar is the features, truly. Cakewalk comes up with features YEARS before other DAW's. Audiosnap for instance came 2 years before Elastic Audio in Protools. Also the ability to have multiple takes in the same track, 2 years before Logic. The list goes on. My only grips about Sonar is that the mixer window is cluttered and cramped, and it takes quite a bit of trial and error to get a stable system (which is quite a big gripe).

 

I moved to Logic and have been using it for the past 2 years honestly because I moved to Mac, flirting with Digital Performer along the way.

Logic is a great DAW. Stable (which is worth it's weight in gold). A quite reasonable amount of features. An uncluttered interface. Comes with good plugins. Logic is a MIDI workhorse, but it has a few major shortcomings if you're doing professional audio editing. There is no way to apply effects destructively to audio clips without doing it in an external editor or other time consuming workarounds. No beat-slicing ability (which makes drum editing a breeze) . And the time stretching is clumsy and crappy.

Probably the most disappointing thing is that NO-ONE from the logic developing team EVER talks to people on the forums. And judging from the multiple bugs that are persistent from version 6 even...the development is lacking a little.

 

Moving on to REAPER... I did...just last week.

REAPER is exactly what software should be. It is developed by a few people, who are very active and interested in the user forums. The software is CONSTANTLY being developed according to user feedback. It is very stable, feature rich (actually more features than Logic for audio editing) and it's cheap, dirt cheap.

REAPER's has some drawbacks too. No score editor. No built-in audio editor, (most things can be done in the track view though), OSX support is still in beta at this time. No software synths come with it.

I have to say though, now that REAPER's MIDI engine has gotten an overhaul, the whole program has gotten really slick.

REAPER 3.0 will be out in the next couple of months (according to the developers) and I will be on that train, because when it comes down to it, I edited 3 projects in half the time and I love knowing exactly who my money is going to.

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