Keystation Pro 88 and Logic 8

[Fitzcarraldo]

Hello, i'm new at the forum and I've searched for topics related to midi mapping with keystation 88 pro, i've found nothing exclusive on keystation, so i decide to open one.

here are some questions

 

1- i've seen a lot of people talking about vyzex editor, is it only for akai equipments? is there any for the keystation?

 

2-lets say i want to use multiple midi channels, like one for master controls, volume, pan, eq per channel etc, and other cannels exclusive for plugins, is that possible?

 

feel free to post other doubts and questions

[Fitzcarraldo]

one other question, when i press comand L the window opens but already starts in learn mode, and thats "eating" the first comands because when i try to delete or do something it shows a window with the message reassing, assign both etc, so everytime i open this window i have to reassign the first comand, that is getting really annoying

[frontierfran]

im looking for help too with mapping the KS88.

 

I can say this: ive mapped my first 8 faders to tracks 1-8 for volume control, and used 9 for master fader control. But how can I map a bank control, to move from tracks 1-8 to 9-16, and so forth? anyone know?

 

I wish there was a Keystation Pro 88 Logic Mapping guide....

 

[woodshedder]

I was looking for the same answer a long time ago and found this thread thru the search!

 

Seems like there isn't much help with the KS88pro with logic. I'd like to toggle the channels from 1-8 to 8-16 and so on. There was a template for logic and the KS88pro that came with the driver cd, but I belive it was for logic 7. All too complicated.

 

I gave up trying to configure it on my own and every once in a while I seach the forums if someone has any tips...

[joemagic]

I've made my own template. You will have to replace your com.apple.logic.pro.cs with the one I've attached. It can be found in your home>library>prefrences folder.

Once replaced, here what your Keystation 88 will do:

 

1.setting global channel to 1 on the keystation will control the following parameters;

 

faders C1 thru C8 will control audio track 1-8 volumes

knobs B10 thru B17 will pan audio tracks 1-8

knobs B26 thru B33 will control bus 1 send amounts for audio tracks 1-8

knobs B18 thru B25 will control bus 2 send amounts for audio tracks 1-8

buttons B44 thru B51 solo 1-8

buttons C52 thru C59 mute 1-8 or vica versa

 

2. setting Keystations global channel to 2 will do all of thee above to audio tracks 9-16

 

3. Setting global channel to 3 controls 17-24

 

4. Setting global channel to 4 controls the same for Instruments 1-8

 

I did not change any other controller assignments so everything else should work as usual. Save your .cs file just in case and back up this one if you decide to use it. If Logic crashes this file will need to be replaced with the back up.

I learned that the hard way.

 

Hope this helps...

com.apple.logic.pro.cs

com.apple.logic.pro.cs

[bravofunken]

Hi,

This template would be really helpful to me but it doesn't work. I replaced the file with yours, but what else do I have to do ? What program should the keystation be in ? 01 I guess... I can only control one channel strip at a time and It's just by turning random buttons depending on what preset program the keystation is set to.

Please help me !

[joemagic]

my program is set to 00.

 

Global channel set to 01.

 

Have you ever changed any parameters on the keystation? I reset mine by holding the - and + signs above "snapshot" while powering on the keyboard .That resets the keyboard to its default factory setting.

 

 

Working here, i just checked it..

[bravofunken]

It's still no working,

I guess I finally found how to map the controls myself but I can't do that "channel 2 controls track 9-17" thing. What I use the learn control, even if I'm set to channel 2, it will erase what I did while in channel 1. Do you remember how you did it ?

thanks

[joemagic]

I did it just the way you described. Set global channel button on keystation to 1 ,set up the learn feature in logic, moused a fader, touched a knob etc. After i did the first 1-8 volume, pan sends etc, i set global midi channel to 02 and repeated for 9-16.

 

i just downloaded the template from here and put it in my prefs, then loaded an empty project, added 8 audio tracks from the drop down menu and voila all are controlled by the keystation pro 88. We must be missing something...

[bravofunken]

I finally made it ! The only thing that doesn't work are the transport buttons. Logic doesn't seem the see them as controller and I can't click on the play or stop button in learn mode either. Did you manage to have it working ?

[joemagic]

Transport has its own spot! Go to Settings> Syncronization>MIDI>Midi machine control> then check listen to MCC Input.

 

Then save your song as a template.

[bravofunken]

thank you so much, you just saved me a few hours and kept me from going insane !

[iandyha]

any way to use the record function stop play ff rw?

[siderealxxx]

ok I've just sussed a lot of this out now... thanks for the info. The only thing I'm missing is I'd like to assign 'Record Enable' to buttons B44-B51 but MIDI learn doesn't seem to allow it. Any suggestions? Any help appreciated! Cheers

[joemagic]

any way to use the record function stop play ff rw?

 

see the post above about transport.

[velanche]

Hi There:

I've actually found the instructions a few months ago, but wanted to put it off until I have some free time to do this.

 

I must be missing something; I saved the pref file you've created to my home Preference folder, opened Logic Pro 8, then opened a template with existing instruments. I then swapped to view the mixer. When I tried the volume settings on the 88 controller, there wasn't any sort of visual response in Logic's Mixer view. I can see on the Transport bar that there's some sort of response whenever I move the fader, but that's all I see moving.

 

What am I missing, and how can I rectify this? This looks really cool, so any help you can offer to get me up to speed will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks so much,

Velanche

[joemagic]

If you are controlling instrument tracks as you stated in your post, you need to set the keystations global channel to 4. Read my post above about the layout. You may also need to re set the keystation to it's factory default.

[velanche]

Thanks for getting back to me.

 

So I tried it again with an empty project and four instruments; none of them responded visually when i used the fader.

 

This is what I did, step-by-step.

 

1. I saved the .cs file you've provided to Preferences.

2. I plugged in the keyboard.

3. I fired up Logic, created an empty project, and added four virtual instruments.

4. I did a reset on the MIDI controller, and then set the Global MIDI to 01 (not sure how to verify that the setting took hold, but to my knowledge it seems to have done so).

5. I pressed the Mixer button to display the virtual mixer.

6. I moved the first two faders on the left (that would be C1 and C2 on the controller), and they are not moving at all.

 

I admit that I'm a bit of a novice on this front, but after going through the Apple Training book on Logic Pro I really wanted to try and use the faders and knobs on the controller as part of controlling the tracks for the music I want to make. I feel I'm missing something, so hopefully you can fill in the blanks.

 

I know that Logic is receiving signals of some kind via the transporter display, and I can play virtual instruments. I'm kinda hoping that things will come together with your .cs file so that I can expand my palette and not have to buy another piece of hardware anytime soon.

 

Thanks for this; if you're patient with me I'll work with you to see this through.

 

Velanche

[joemagic]

Hi Velanche,

 

Your issue seems to be with your step #4. You will need to change the global channel to 4 in order for the faders to move the instrument volumes.

 

see set up below.

 

1.setting global channel to 1 on the keystation will control the following parameters;

 

faders C1 thru C8 will control audio track 1-8 volumes

knobs B10 thru B17 will pan audio tracks 1-8

knobs B26 thru B33 will control bus 1 send amounts for audio tracks 1-8

knobs B18 thru B25 will control bus 2 send amounts for audio tracks 1-8

buttons B44 thru B51 solo 1-8

buttons C52 thru C59 mute 1-8 or vica versa

 

2. setting Keystations global channel to 2 will do all of thee above to audio tracks 9-16

 

3. Setting global channel to 3 controls 17-24

 

4. Setting global channel to 4 controls the same for Instruments 1-8

[velanche]

Thanks again; I will try it later today, and get back to you. Have a good Monday!

V.

[drumkey87]

Hello Joe, I've tried using your template so that I can use all the faders and I cannot seem to get it to work either. I see that you have included 2 Templates with your post, which is the one that controls the faders?

[Mikael]

Hello and thank you for the excellent guiding for setting the keystation to work with logic. I downloaded the files you kindly (Joe Magic) submitted and replaced the old one with this one. Unfortunately it didn't work, so I manually assigned all the faders and knobs myself. This worked fine, until I use logic with the keystation disconnected, then all settings disappears... I did make a backup for my settings but nothing happens when I replace the old file with it. Am I missing something here?

 

I would be really grateful for any help or answer that could guide me in the right direction!

 

Thanks

 

Mike

[RobbinsEgg]

tried both of your .cs files (thanks for posting this), but for some reason when opening Logic the control setup is empty, no mapping. Could it be that with the latest OSX and Logic versions this file is no longer good?

[velanche]

Well so much for replying after December 2009.

 

After a few months, I bought Logic Studio 9 yesterday and spent the evening on installation and getting the control surfaces to play nice. I bought a Tascam FireOne controller, and attached my Keystation Pro 88 to it via a MIDI connection.

 

I got the controller's physical transport controls configured via some instructions found online, but will deal with the function keys later on the unit later. I then tried mapping the Keystation Pro 88, and being the novice that I am I didn't get very far after two hours, though I could see MIDI responses via the controller's MIDI indicator light and Logic's transport bar flashing MIDI instructions.

 

Sometimes, sleep helps to inspire ideas, and the one that I had was to try things in reverse. I remember the instructions in this thread on copying the template cs file to Preferences in my user account's library. I then tested it per the suggestions of the template's creator via the default instrument template that comes with Logic, and it seems to work for the most part.

 

One question I have, though: since I may have a mixture of audio and instrument tracks, my understanding is that each global channel setting will activate a certain group of faders and knobs. For instance, global setting 01 will control audio, and global setting 04 will control instruments. But is this absolute? In other words, when a song consists of both audio and instruments, and if I have a MIDI track selected, do I need to change the global channel setting to 01 if I wish to work on an audio track within a song? My thinking is that I would have to switch global settings each time I wish to work on either an audio track or a MIDI track within the same song.

 

I hope you've followed the dots, and I look forward to your reply. Thanks a lot, and thanks for the template that gets me a bit ahead now.

V.

[velanche]

tried both of your .cs files (thanks for posting this), but for some reason when opening Logic the control setup is empty, no mapping. Could it be that with the latest OSX and Logic versions this file is no longer good?

 

Hi There:

I'm not sure if you were able to resolve your issue yet. You need to first make sure the file is Library/Preferences in your user account. Open up Logic, and open up Control Assignments. Click on (no zone) on the left and you should see the mappings (the first column will be populated with "Learned").

 

You will want to then test per the template instructions to make sure they work. One fast way is to bring up the default instrument template, changing the global channel to 04, then switching to Mixer view. Go ahead and test your knobs and faders at that point. Really, you'll want to test all the scenarios for each global channel.

 

Once you have confirmed that all is working, you might wish to do what I did and create a new zone called Keystation Pro 88 (or whatever name you'd like), then copy and paste all of the learned parameters from (no zone) to Keystation Pro 88. You can then delete the learned parameters from (no zone).

 

Hope this helps, in case you weren't helped already!

V.

[joemagic]

Yes Velanche,

 

you will have to change global settings in order to control audio vs instrument tracks. As every project is different i couldnt come up with a method other than this to maintain control of both. My main working template has 32 audio channels and 32 instrument channels showing at all times so it works well for me.

 

It would be awesome if they would would assign themselves as you added tracks... but im not that good... yet..

[velanche]

Yes Velanche,

 

you will have to change global settings in order to control audio vs instrument tracks. As every project is different i couldnt come up with a method other than this to maintain control of both. My main working template has 32 audio channels and 32 instrument channels showing at all times so it works well for me.

 

It would be awesome if they would would assign themselves as you added tracks... but im not that good... yet..

 

Thanks for the quick response!

 

I'm fine with that, for the moment. I'll be working on instrumentals for awhile. But I also know that I plan to do re-edits and remixes with vocal parts, but really controlling some parts via the computer keyboard is no big deal.

 

Again, really appreciate your taking the time to create the template; it's bound to make things easier and fun! I have a few other questions to ask you about it, but they are minor and I will ask when I cross that road.

 

Have a great weekend, and thanks for helping me to get over the hurdle of the hardware and software playing nice!

V.

[joemagic]

no problem!

 

Im always available for a screen share or audio ichat to work things out. Sometimes 2 heads are better than 1 ...

[velanche]

no problem!

 

Im always available for a screen share or audio ichat to work things out. Sometimes 2 heads are better than 1 ...

 

Cool; I will definitely keep that in mind!

[drumkey87]

Im so glad to see one post about this at least. I have Keystation Pro 88 also and was wondering how to do the same thing, I'll give this a shot and see if it works.