j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Anyone else having problems with the Snap Automation in Logic Pro 8 (in the Arrange Area)? I did switch ON the Snap Automation and the Snap to absolute value... And I did try the Bar, Beat, Smart, but still not working. So I need to zoom really close that I see the LP8 really did insert my loops/audios correctly in the Arrange area.... Or is there a some hidden key command that makes the snap to work perfectly? Any comments, is there still this some problem with the LP9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Snap works great here. What happens on your machine? Say you have snap set to "Bar", can you place an automation node absolutely anywhere you'd like? Make sure you check your Automation Snap Offset too (from the Snap menu). PS: Snap to absolute value has no effect for automation - it always snaps to absolute value whether this option is selected or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 Snap works great here. What happens on your machine? Say you have snap set to "Bar", can you place an automation node absolutely anywhere you'd like? Make sure you check your Automation Snap Offset too (from the Snap menu). PS: Snap to absolute value has no effect for automation - it always snaps to absolute value whether this option is selected or not. Yeah, when I have the Snap Automation On and the snap set to "Bar", I can still place my tracks anywhere I like... And that's not what I want too do The Automation Snap Offset menu says: Move Automation with Regions: Ask Snap Offset: -5 Ticks Ramp Time: 200 ms 'Write' Mode Changes To: Touch Write Automation for: Volume, Pan, Mute, Send, Plug-In (those are selected) Automation Quick Access: Off Is there something wrong and that's why my Snap to absolute value doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 I thought you were trying to snap automation? Now you're talking about moving tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 I thought you were trying to snap automation? Now you're talking about moving tracks? No, I'm not trying to snap the automation things. I am trying to snap the tracks (you know, my vocal loops, midi loops...) in to correct places (like right to the beat). But the Snap Automation doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 If you're not trying to snap automation then why are we discussing it in this thread? I'm just... really confused. You even title your thread "Snap Automation....". But then you say that's not what you're trying to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahadrums Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 What you're trying to do is to snap regions. Snap automation is somethimg completely different. Do not mess one with the other. In your case select snap to Bar from the menu in the upper right corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 I thought it is called Snap Automation (since the snapping should be automatic when I select the Snap To Absolute Value + Snap Automation. It is the box/selection right before the Drag: box (under the Bounce, Colors, Lists, Media selectors). And I try to use the Snap - > Bar but it still doesn't Snap to the right location... I'll add an image of the Snap selection I am talking about. I hope it clears things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahadrums Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Yes, that's where the menu is located. When you drag a region a yellow window pops up showing the location of the begining of that particular region and it's lenght. Does the region automatically snap to every bar while dragging? Works fine here in Logic 8.0.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 Yes, that's where the menu is located. When you drag a region a yellow window pops up showing the location of the begining of that particular region and it's lenght. Does the region automatically snap to every bar while dragging? Works fine here in Logic 8.0.2. A yellow window? Noo... I haven't seen any yellow window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayfield Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 This might be what you're looking for. Try turning this on: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 This might be what you're looking for. Try turning this on: Yes, I have the Snap To Absolute Value on and also the Snap Automation on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electronathan Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 j.loop, You're not by chance expecting that by selecting these settings they'll automatically adjust your regions? The snap value (smart, beat, bar and so on) specifies the behavior of dragging regions with the mouse and is not an actual quantize function (like you have in the piano roll for example. The yellow window mentioned earlier is Logic's help tag, which is also your BFF. It should be active by default, so go check your prefs to make sure it's on. Logic Pro > Preferences > Display... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 j.loop,You're not by chance expecting that by selecting these settings they'll automatically adjust your regions? The snap value (smart, beat, bar and so on) specifies the behavior of dragging regions with the mouse and is not an actual quantize function (like you have in the piano roll for example. The yellow window mentioned earlier is Logic's help tag, which is also your BFF. It should be active by default, so go check your prefs to make sure it's on. Logic Pro > Preferences > Display... When I am dragging my loops/midi sections or the Play head and the Snap To Absolute Value is ON, I was hoping that my loops/midis or the Play Head will stop/go to the start of a beat/bar (depends what sort of Snap is selected). But it doesn't work like that... The Play head goes ANYWHERE, just like the Snap To Absolute Value would be OFF (even when it is on and the SNAP value BAR is selected). But anyone else doesn't have this problem? For everyone else the Snap works perfectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 j.loop, It appears you're confusing 3 things that really are unrelated. Snap Automation only applies to automation node placement and has nothing to do with regions. Snap to Absolute Value respects region placement and has nothing to do with the Playhead which snaps, (unless you're scrubbing) to the Division value in the transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Play head goes ANYWHERE, just like the Snap To Absolute Value would be OFF.......... Happens to me ALL the time, drives me nuts. Don't quite understand what's going on myself. BUT... What would really help is if you added your Logic version and system info to your signature: Read Me Before Posting - Forum Guidelines (#5). Having this info is important when trying to determine whether or not this behavior is a system-specific thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Play head goes ANYWHERE, just like the Snap To Absolute Value would be OFF.......... Happens to me ALL the time, drives me nuts. Don't quite understand what's going on myself. BUT... What would really help is if you added your Logic version and system info to your signature: Read Me Before Posting - Forum Guidelines (#5). Having this info is important when trying to determine whether or not this behavior is a system-specific thing. Ah, someone else has also found this problem? Here's the info (thanks for my BF for helping to find out those stuff): MacBook 13" early 2006, 2GHz Intel Core Duo with 2GB memory. Logic Pro 8.0.2, running on OS X 10.5.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 What problem? Snap options are for dragging regions, NOT for snapping the playhead. It's normal that your playhead doesn't snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 What problem? Snap options are for dragging regions, NOT for snapping the playhead. It's normal that your playhead doesn't snap. The problem is: when I am working on a track and I copy/paste a selection (and the Snap To Absolute Value is on and I have selected the BAR) the selection/region most of the times doesn't go to the start of a bar.... So I ALWAYS have zoom close just to see that the region is placed in the right place (and most of the times it is placed off/not really SNAP to the beat/bar...). This is time consuming and frustrating: you would think your regions/samples will SNAP to the right positions when you drag+drop them or copy+paste them when you have the Snap To Absolute Value on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 j.loop, snap options are for dragging regions. Not for pasting. Try dragging the region with your mouse, and you'll see it snap as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 j.loop, snap options are for dragging regions. Not for pasting. Try dragging the region with your mouse, and you'll see it snap as expected. Ok... But how can I paste regions so they SNAP to correct locations? As in Reason this snap to absolute value works perfectly with copy/paste. Or is there no way to paste the regions to correct location/snap (so is the only solution that I need to first copy/paste them and after that I need to drag the region to correct location)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Like I said, you could just drag them! OK if you don't want to drag them, try this: copy the region, use your "Go to position" key command, enter the bar number, press enter and press Command-V (paste). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Or is there no way to paste the regions to correct location/snap (so is the only solution that I need to first copy/paste them and after that I need to drag the region to correct location)? In addition to David's suggestion, you could also learn how to use the Bin. Select your region in the Bin. Note that these first 2 methods create region aliases. A. If you hold the command key down and start to drag the region to the Arrange, the region will paste itself on the selected track at the current Playhead position. B. If you hold down the command and option keys and drag the region to the Arrange, it will allow you to place it based on your snap settings. If you don't want these to be aliases, use the Convert Regions to New Regions key command. If you want a region copy right away, instead of an alias, use the Add to Arrange key command from the Bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 What problem? Snap options are for dragging regions, NOT for snapping the playhead. It's normal that your playhead doesn't snap. Ah... I see... ...and all this time I've been thinking that Snap handled playhead behavior too! But I could never quite figure out the behavior of the playhead because it changes depending on what zoom level you're at (this is definitely the case). But that's playhead behavior, not region-snapping behavior. Right then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 ...and all this time I've been thinking that Snap handled playhead behavior too! But I could never quite figure out the behavior of the playhead because it changes depending on what zoom level you're at (this is definitely the case). Yup, it snaps to the division value set in the transport, until you get to some zoomed in value and then it lets you adjust it finer. Kinda handy, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilenitrate Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow, my neck has snapped from reading this! - Emile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wip Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 haha! Logic's playhead snap-functions have always been very poor. for example: in Snap: Smart mode, why isn't it snapping to Beats when your zoomed out to only seeing the beats and to division when zoomed into divisions etc.... very little thought and effort put into this. it actually suprises me cuz there's so many other smart and logical functions in Logic. anyway, remember to click and hold if u want the playhead to snap i Logic, unlike Cubase and ProTools for instance. k Wow, my neck has snapped from reading this! - Emile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.loop Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 haha!Logic's playhead snap-functions have always been very poor. for example: in Snap: Smart mode, why isn't it snapping to Beats when your zoomed out to only seeing the beats and to division when zoomed into divisions etc.... very little thought and effort put into this. it actually suprises me cuz there's so many other smart and logical functions in Logic. anyway, remember to click and hold if u want the playhead to snap i Logic, unlike Cubase and ProTools for instance. k Wow, my neck has snapped from reading this! - Emile Click and hold? Do you mean there is a some key command to make the play head work better with the Snap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wip Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 the horizontal bar on top of your arrangepage just under where u set your loop cycle is the transport bar or the bar ruler. you just click, hold and drag with your mouse and the playhead will snap to divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 haha!Logic's playhead snap-functions have always been very poor. for example: in Snap: Smart mode, why isn't it snapping to Beats when your zoomed out to only seeing the beats and to division when zoomed into divisions etc.... Because, as it's already been said in this thread several times, the "Snap" settings have nothing at all to do with the Playhead. Never have. Snap is for manipulating Arrange objects/nodes, but the playhead still allows data /note entry to the division value, regardless of Snap mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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