Spunkadellic Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I decided to upgrade to 9 despite the info I read here about "replace mode" not working properly. I looked at my calendar and I didn't have any large multi instrument projects, like recording a multichannel drum kit or a string quartet etc. Since I am only recording vocals for the next couple months, I decided that this would be a great time to try and use the comping features and give it an honest chance. After a mont with logic 9... The comping feature does not comp every time. At punch-in, it creates a new region, and at punch-out makes a new folder with the old audio. This occurs completely random. The comping feature puts newly recorded audio at a les prority than old audio. Why is the thing im recording over still reside on the front? This makes little sense. The comping feature sometimes creates overlaps. Are you serious, "no overlaps" is checked, and this is like logic 6 before Apple bought it. This too is occasional and unpredictable. -- WIth all this hastle, I can not possibly see how the comping and take folder features could possible help. THis is only wihile recording one track at a time, and I nearly scream everytime logic does something unpredictable - recording multiple tracks at once would be near impossible. The only thing that keeps me sane and able to do an actual recording is the "flatten" command - which I do after every single take. I dont know what type of producer/engineer/recorder, or the methods they use that is benefited by the comp folders. I have recorded in professional studios on pro tools, 2 inch, i inch da88 and adat and even as a little kid with 2 cassette decks and a mixer. The comp folder behavior does not make sense, and seems very umpractical. Even if I were to start the song from the begining, run into the recoding room and record my vocals on the song the whole way through - do it 8 times and pick the best parts from all 8 takes - I still could do it faster using 8 different tracks instead of 1 track with take folders. -- I don't mean to sound bitter, but the punching out in replace mode hiccup problem has been bothering me since logic 5 Just when it seems to be fixed (in 8.01 it was not), the replace mode dies altogether Other than this problem I love logic and have converted MANY folx to macs and logic -- Please comment if replace mode or the comping feature works well for you, because for me, it does not I have wanted to write this for a while now, and i feel better talking about it. Thanks, and lets hope replace is fixed SOON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPZ Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Why not just use autopunch? That's what I do and I actually like it better anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLambert Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Auto punch is great if you're only recording yourself or if you can absolutely see where to assign your ins and outs. But when punching in fixes with other players/singers, real time it is not always a solution. The whole take folders/quick swipe thing is OK for a few comping chores, but it is still embarrassingly non functional, cumbersome and buggy. Even if it was stable, it is by no means the fastest or easiest way to comp things like vocals. The bottom line is, replace mode is and has been the standard work mode for pro engineers since the beginning of time. It can't be a hard fix and it's such a huge error it should have been done the first week of release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkadellic Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 sorry...but autopunch is not the way to go - it takes too long to find where you need to punch and to set it up. I go by feeling when i punch instead of looking primarily at the screen - it makes for more natural punches with less need for correction later plus i set my logic up where i dont have to touch the mouse at all while recording - using arrow keys to rewind and shuttle forward - auto punch requires a mouse Also I might punch in and out 3 or 4 times in a single take which is impossible with autopunch -- I have had nightmarish thoughts, where this replace mode issue is not a bug, (replace works great for midi) but an attempt at a "new way of recording" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewave Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I wonder if Snow Leopard would fix your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 auto punch requires a mouse No it doesn't. Punch in/out points can be set via Key Commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkadellic Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 auto punch requires a mouse No it doesn't. Punch in/out points can be set via Key Commands. eh... it takes too long to be accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLambert Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I agree, most of the time the punch is an obvious mistake and no one especially the musician does not want to hear it again, so to listen back, and then set up an auto punch is really counter productive. BUT........... It's replace punch we're talking about, I don't think discussing workarounds makes any sense. Its a standard way of recording, It needs to be fixed!! ml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkadellic Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 I agree, most of the time the punch is an obvious mistake and no one especially the musician does not want to hear it again, so to listen back, and then set up an auto punch is really counter productive. BUT........... It's replace punch we're talking about, I don't think discussing workarounds makes any sense. Its a standard way of recording, It needs to be fixed!! ml yes thank you - workarounds are not what we are after - some of us use logic as a professional alternative to pro tools, and we need logic to behave like a professional device, and it can not with out replace mode i am trying to convince my "everybody" that my logic rig is as good (or better) than a PT HD rig - but this frustration is out of control!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkadellic Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 i agree with this thread completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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