ouni Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 quote from appe: Logic Studio is a complete set of professional applications that lets you write, record, edit, mix, and perform. It’s also the largest collection of modeled instruments, sampler instruments, effect plug-ins, and audio loops ever put in a single box. I have professional hardware - mac pro 8 core, 16 GB ram, but with this professional software - Logic Studio I can't use all my hardware correctly. Why? Because Logic supports 32bit system and I have 64bit.. so I can't load my instruments to ram, so I have 16 GB ram for nothing.. My questions are here: 1. will another version or update of logic pro support 64 bit system? 2. Is any sofware for apple supporting 64 bit system? 3. Is logic pro in your oppinion really professional application? thanks for answers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 ouni, You have 64-bit what? 1. will another version or update of logic pro support 64 bit system? We, the public, have received no news as to if/when Logic will become 64-bit. 2. Is any sofware for apple supporting 64 bit system? Don't know. Go to the Apple website and look up the specs of FCP and other Apple-developed software. But even if you did that, how would that make a difference to you? 3. Is logic pro in your oppinion really professional application? Singling out Logic's non-64-bit status doesn't automatically make it a non-professional application (if that's where you were going with this). If you're not already aware of it, Logic's own EXS sampler can spread out samples (sample headers, actually) across as much free RAM as you have in your system provided you have at least 5G or RAM and its Virtual Memory option is turned on. That shouldn't be a problem in your case. So maybe you should describe what you're doing and the kinds of problems you're having so that you can get advice or perspectives on how to solve them. I think that would serve you better than starting a poll which isn't going to address your operational problems with Logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouni Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 2. Is any sofware for apple supporting 64 bit system? Don't know. Go to the Apple website and look up the specs of FCP and other Apple-developed software. But even if you did that, how would that make a difference to you? how difference? I will sell my mac and I will never buy anything from them.. I don't use EXS24 samples because of low quality for me. I have EASTWEST samples from PLAY edition - orchestra platinium, gypsy and so on.. I need high RAM for load samples.. it's nothing with virtual memory... so I need application using 64 bit system.. and logic does not.. so I have mac pro, and logic pro, but together it's not pro.. so logic is pro - yes, ofcourse, professional application.. Mac Pro - yes it is professional computer.. but it's for nothing for me.. because these "pro" things can't make my pro work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Have you actually tried writing music with this system and all of those samples? If so, what happens? Do you get errors? Crashes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 there's no 3rd poll option for either boobs or fish....there are a few things i like about kvr come on..get with the program....i aint gonna vote until i can render 'said' vote worthless and 64-bit....pfff !!!.....my mac won't wake from 'sleep' for any app less than 128 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 .. but it's for nothing for me.. because these "pro" things can't make my pro work.. ouni, I'd suggest you get some training in Logic and desktop music production from a "pro". Learning how to use the tools you have will go a lot farther toward helping you make music than 64 bit software ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouni Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 el-bo - sorry, I dont't understand Yes, it crashes. I got "Memory is getting low" dongle and after I can record about 2 minutes, I can save, I can do anything.. but I have loaded 35 tracks of Play and when I want to reload some instrument, or save after cca 10 mins, logic will freeze... I want to use my 16 GB of ram because I need it. no because I have it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 OK, thanks for clarifying what's going on in your situation, ouni. Yes, 35 tracks of Play are a lot. Have you tried such things as freezing tracks, printing (bouncing) tracks, purging unused samples? Now that you've explained what you're doing, I know that you are not alone in your complaint. But I don't know of any other computer system that's going to let you use that many samples with your AU plugins. (See below for info on how to make your current system host more samples in RAM. But first...) If your work really requires that kind of dense orchestration, maybe you should get a second computer to use as a kind of giant "MIDI module" to host some of those plugins. This is what people used to do all the time, especially with GigaSampler... they'd have multiple computers, each hosting a different section of the orchestra (strings, bass, winds, etc.). And before the time of computer-based samplers, when hardware samplers were the only thing available, people would buy multiple samplers (i.e., S1000 -- one for strings, one for brass, one for percussion...) So maybe part of the problem is your expectation that you should be able to do all of this "in the box". Just because (theoretically) it's possible doesn't mean it can be done. And sometimes it's not even the best idea, especially if you can't work like you want to! So maybe multiple computers would be a good solution for you. Having said that... There are also ways of using the extra RAM by hosting certain plugins in Plogue Bidule, or, using stand-alone versions of some of your plugs. Anyway, do a search on this site for "Plogue", and also check out this link: http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=49810&start=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 el-bo - sorry, I dont't understand Yes, it crashes. I got "Memory is getting low" dongle and after I can record about 2 minutes, I can save, I can do anything.. but I have loaded 35 tracks of Play and when I want to reload some instrument, or save after cca 10 mins, logic will freeze... I want to use my 16 GB of ram because I need it. no because I have it.. just joking with ya....it is a tradition, as i have only recently discovered , on another forum to put a kind of 'null' option in the poll...obviously the options you might be interested in and then a couple of other options that people could vote for..."fish" is common...though recently i have seen "i don't care" and my favourite - "boobs" it is just another pretty sad way of finding a laugh as our lives drain from us into the internet abyss as for my computer being THAT pro- i know it's a bitch...can't get anything done these days sorry to have derailed your thread...looks like you might have some legitimate concerns...not just the usual rant...i'll shut up now and hope you can find a way to solve your problems, at least long enough till apple gives you want you want and you save yourself from having to look elsewhere for a 'lesser' working environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Sandvik Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 There's this misconception out there that even if an app only supports 32-bit addressing, any memory installed beyond 4Gb is wasted. This is not true. Each app takes this space, but VM is using it so you could keep more pages in memory, less swapping, better performance. Where it causes problems are large memory chunks always loaded in memory, memory leaks and so forth that will build the pressure to address more memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanviewstudio Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Angry? Well, not a sausage, these flippin bankers make me more than angry, but that's another story. I just switched from Cubase to Logic, and after a meager 3 weeks scratching on the surface, well yes, I would certainly say it is a professional application, very much so, having said that, there is always room for improvement. Problems exist in all programs of a complexity such as Logic constitutes. 64bit is new and not many applications are coded for this, but in the meantime you could look at Vienna Ensemble Pro for 64 bit plugins, such as Stylus RMX and Vienna Instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamjmusic Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 The implications for making a program 64 bit are far beyond what you're perceiving as an oversight. A piece of software running in 64bit means all aspects must be 64bit as well. Which means that all of your plugins would be rendered useless. On that note it would mean every stock plugin in logic would have to be completely reengineered to run in this system. There's a lot more to this "upgrade" than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Sandvik Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 The implications for making a program 64 bit are far beyond what you're perceiving as an oversight. A piece of software running in 64bit means all aspects must be 64bit as well. Which means that all of your plugins would be rendered useless. On that note it would mean every stock plugin in logic would have to be completely reengineered to run in this system. There's a lot more to this "upgrade" than you think. Yep. 64-bit address pointers also add more overhead concerning performance, not that with today's multi-code implementations it all will be masked out by raw performances of most modern CPUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nublu Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I love Logic Studio2. The whole 64bit thing started for me around 1982/83 with Fairlight's CMI and the available information at the time. Patience, it is all coming together. I don't care if I'm considered "Pro" or not, but I do care if I smile. I see lot's of reasons to smile with what is on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayfield Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 The implications for making a program 64 bit are far beyond what you're perceiving as an oversight. A piece of software running in 64bit means all aspects must be 64bit as well. Which means that all of your plugins would be rendered useless. On that note it would mean every stock plugin in logic would have to be completely reengineered to run in this system. There's a lot more to this "upgrade" than you think. Yep. 64-bit address pointers also add more overhead concerning performance, not that with today's multi-code implementations it all will be masked out by raw performances of most modern CPUs. But... but... 16 bit Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis are 8 bits better than the NES! Look at Cubase - it's probably got about 43 and a half bits. GarageBand probably only has 11 bits. Give us more bits! More bits are better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Sandvik Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 But... but... 16 bit Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis are 8 bits better than the NES! Look at Cubase - it's probably got about 43 and a half bits. GarageBand probably only has 11 bits. Give us more bits! More bits are better! Yes, but you have to differ between resolution of audio (24bits or 32-bits) versus address ranges for memory objects, 32-bit range versus 64-bit). They are not the same. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayfield Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 But... but... 16 bit Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis are 8 bits better than the NES! Look at Cubase - it's probably got about 43 and a half bits. GarageBand probably only has 11 bits. Give us more bits! More bits are better! Yes, but you have to differ between resolution of audio (24bits or 32-bits) versus address ranges for memory objects, 32-bit range versus 64-bit). They are not the same. . I know. It seems I spread the sarcasm/irony on a little thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostly Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 But... but... 16 bit Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis are 8 bits better than the NES! Look at Cubase - it's probably got about 43 and a half bits. GarageBand probably only has 11 bits. Give us more bits! More bits are better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consagrado Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 protools isnt 64bit...i hope that answers all your questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff_larken Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Aaaand scene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectacle Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I seem to remember that the first Super Mario Brothers on the 8-bit Nintendo introduced floating point. But that didn't happen until you got to world 2-2... ...underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biff_larken Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Oh my god, I can't believe you just did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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