Tapeworm Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 maybe a dumb question.... but are there things that you would've used beat mapping for that you can now do with flex time? does some of their functionality overlap or are both used for different purposes altogether? tanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45rpm Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 This might completely fail to address your question, but I just think of beat mapping and flex as the inverse of each other. Beat mapping is about making the grid follow a certain performance, and flex is about making a certain performance follow the grid. Let's say I have two performances, A and B. (To keep the example simple, imagine they are both audio, not midi.) The performances could have been done by live players in your studio, or they could be clips from old pop records. Imagine that they are basically the same tempo, but the feel is a little different. Or maybe the problem is that in one or both performances, the tempo tends to wander. But I want to put them together, and somehow reconcile the conflicts in tempo and/or feel. First I have to decide what my creative goals are. Maybe I like all the quirks in perfomance A, and I want to preserve those completely, and force B to follow A. So I will beat map A. Now the grid follows A. Then I will use flex to make B follow the grid. I've achieved my goal; A's quirks are preserved, and B is following A. Another possibility is that I want to remove all the quirks, and make both A and B fit a straight, regular grid. Then I won't use beat mapping at all; I'll use flex on both to make them fit Logic's regular grid. There are probably lots of other ways of thinking about these topics, but this is how I approach it. There is a third subject (quantizing audio and midi) that I think fits together with these two. I think of it as a variation on flex, because like flex, it's about getting a performance to follow the grid. These three topics are treated separately in the manual, even though they are closely related. Here's where the chapters are: Chapter 16 - Flex Time Editing (p. 523 in the pdf version) Chapter 21 - Quantizing Audio and MIDI (p. 627 in the pdf version) Chapter 34 - Beat Mapping Regions (p. 1039 in the pdf version) This is all essentially about different approaches to stretching time, so I think it's a good idea to think about these three chapters as a unit. Ideally the manual would have a section explaining how these different techniques relate to each other, but it doesn't really get into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapeworm Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 thanks... i think (cause i never had a chance to use it this way) that with beat mapping you can do the reverse from having the grid follow the audio and slice it up in order to quantize the audio....but obviously now flex time is a way better way to do that. and i'd also use beat mapping to create groove templates from audio, correct so basically...use beat mapping to make logic follow the timing of a live performance that has a good 'feel' you want to keep and use flex time to quantize the audio where need be.....as well as pushing audio around to create a new feel that wasn't actually performed, i.e. not on the grid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishansson Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 thanks...i'd also use beat mapping to create groove templates from audio, correct Yes, correct. You can, however, also create groove templates with flex time. Turn Flex on, on the track you want to make the template from, in the Inspector, under Quantize, select Make Groove Template, and from there you can apply it to any other Flex-enabled track or MIDI track/region. I do like the way 45rpm said it. Beatmapping will more or less create the backbone of the project (recreating the grid so to speak), and use Flex to go deeper and more intimate with the sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapeworm Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 thanks..point taken. my brain is so full up already its hard to process more concepts and applications. too bad i can't go in and delete stuff...or is the brain more like the tardis...small on the outside.... hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Moth Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 too bad i can't go in and delete stuff...or is the brain more like the tardis...small on the outside.... hehehe You could try some of this ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/8380412.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapeworm Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 oh man! unfortunately i gave up the stuff 20 years ago. and the few times i tried having some drinks since then i don't get buzzed...just get a really bad headache. i must be allergic or something... although, i am considering getting into weed, 'shrooms and peyote in my waning years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornkaft Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 This is how I've been trying to use the new flex tool aswell but it does not behave as I expected. I have a recording made freely and then I use Beat mapping to create a grid that follows the performance. BUT when I turn on flex editing for the drum parts (slicing mode) the audio gets totally$&@+% up. If I change the tempo back to the original tempo that was set when I did the recording it's all good. So somehow turning on flex mode makes Logic quantize my audio into kaos. Tried the function options/tempo/remove tempo info from audio file but with no difference. Exporting the file with flex turned off and re-import it with the beat-mapped tempo works. But as soon as I make changes to the song tempo ... Is this how it's supposed to work? I expected that I would need to quantize or add flex markers for the audio to change ... any tips? /Björn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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