I need aux channels to have two outputs [SOLVED]

[jasonwagner]

Hello,

 

Soon I will have a summing box that has multiple inputs for summing stems as well as a stereo input for what they call the DAW mix, or unsummed. How do I set up my aux buss channels to send the output to two sources? In this case, analog 1/2 as well as another i.e. analog 7/8. 1/2 would be used for all tracks for the daw unsummed mix, 3/4 and up would be for actual summing through the summing box.

 

Thanks

[David Nahmani]

In Logic, channel strips can only have one output, but you can use a send set at nominal level (0dB) for your secondary output.

[jasonwagner]

Thanks for the reply David. Just to be sure I have this right. On the Aux Channels leave them all at 1/2 for the DAW mix. But also insert a bus send on each aux channel and change that aux channels ouput to an output for the summing box.

 

Really enjoy your book btw!

[David Nahmani]

Thanks for the reply David. Just to be sure I have this right. On the Aux Channels leave them all at 1/2 for the DAW mix. But also insert a bus send on each aux channel and change that aux channels ouput to an output for the summing box.

 

Really enjoy your book btw!

 

Thanks, glad you enjoy it!

 

Now for the routing, it's actually easier to set the outputs of the Auxes to the individual outputs for your summing box, and send everything to a bus that will be your DAW Stereo Out:

[David Nahmani]

Actually there are a few problems with my routing. As it is now, my DAW Mix is mono. I didn't think of that at first. Are your stems mono or stereo?

[elik]

Hi David,

 

Jason originally asked: "How do I set up my aux buss channels to send the output to two sources? In this case, analog 1/2 as well as another i.e. analog 7/8."

 

Maybe I'm missing something here, but wouldn't this work:

 

Couldn't he just manually create an additional Aux channel strip, set it to receive the same bus input, and then route the output of the second Aux to the second pair of physical outputs? That way he'd have the same bus signal arriving at the two physical outputs.

 

Eli Krantzberg

[David Nahmani]

Couldn't he just manually create an additional Aux channel strip, set it to receive the same bus input, and then route the output of the second Aux to the second pair of physical outputs? That way he'd have the same bus signal arriving at the two physical outputs.

 

That would work if he's using stereo stems, but that solution has its problems too: first of all it means two auxes for each stem. It also means that for each stem, if you decide to change any parameter, plug-in, volume, pan etc.. for one of the Auxes, you have to duplicate the change on the other Aux. But if you use the Auxes purely for routing (and not for processing) then that shouldn't be a problem.

[jasonwagner]

It would be stereo stems. Drums for example I send their output to a stereo buss, where I insert any number of plug ins. So a second set of Aux wouldn't be ideal by any means.

 

Last night I did set up a post pan send on my drum aux buss channel and it seemed like this will work. I did not hook up connections to check though. As long as I can get the same exact signal to two different places I will be good, which it seems like setting up the send will do.

 

The mono version you posted David should work with stereo too right, just post pan?

[David Nahmani]

Yes, it should work with stereo. Post pan is only necessary if you use the balance knob on your stereo Auxes - which is probably not a good idea in your situation: if you need to pan a stereo stem, better use the direction mixer plug-in.

[jasonwagner]

Yes, it should work with stereo. Post pan is only necessary if you use the balance knob on your stereo Auxes - which is probably not a good idea in your situation: if you need to pan a stereo stem, better use the direction mixer plug-in.

 

On some of my auxes I do pan, for example I might have 4 channels to record a single guitar take, couple grill mics, room mic and direct. Those I would send to a single mono aux buss and pan that buss for the mix. That channel would then be sent to a stereo stem for summing and then a post pan send for the daw mix. Will this affect anything negatively? I have never used a direction mixer plug in before but could I guess if it will be better.

 

Thanks for all the help David, I really appreciate it.

[David Nahmani]

The problem is in Logic the "pan" knob on a stereo channel strip is really a balance knob, so you're not panning but balancing the L and R signal from your stereo signal. That may affect the balance of your mix, for example if you had acoustic 1 on the left and acoustic 2 on the right, trying to "pan" left with a balance knob would actually turn down the level of acoustic 2.

 

The direction mixer doesn't have that issue.

[jasonwagner]

The problem is in Logic the "pan" knob on a stereo channel strip is really a balance knob, so you're not panning but balancing the L and R signal from your stereo signal. That may affect the balance of your mix, for example if you had acoustic 1 on the left and acoustic 2 on the right, trying to "pan" left with a balance knob would actually turn down the level of acoustic 2.

 

The direction mixer doesn't have that issue.

 

Ahh ok, that makes sense for stereo tracks, which I don't pan. For a mono aux is it an actual pan knob? Sorry I haven't been totally clear on explaining what I am doing.

[David Nahmani]

Yup, any mono channel strip has a pan knob, any stereo channel strip has a balance knob.

[jasonwagner]

Thanks for all the help David, this will work great.

 

The direction mixer is awesome and has a mid side input function, can't believe I didn't know about that.

[David Nahmani]

Great ! Good luck to you.