nmaison Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 i plan to record out drummer today and we have multiple tempo changes in our songs, so would i just map the tempos out first then record? like our intro is at a separate tempo than the verse and then we go halftime then back, so would i go through the bars and make the tempo changes before recording? i also am predicting i am going to have to "fix" some of his mistakes and snap to our timing what would be the best method? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yes, do a tempo map. Much easier to fix later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmaison Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yes, do a tempo map. Much easier to fix later. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Has your drummer ever worked with a click before ? Has he ever worked with a click of changed tempo ? If yes, then have him play to a tempo mapped click. Do you, however, like his natural, unclicked tempo ? Is it good enough to keep it and build the song around it ? Good enough does not mean steady or precise, it means good enough. Check out Ringo for a first class case of that. Then have him play without click and Beat Map the beast later. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmaison Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Has your drummer ever worked with a click before ? Has he ever worked with a click of changed tempo ? If yes, then have him play to a tempo mapped click. Do you, however, like his natural, unclicked tempo ? Is it good enough to keep it and build the song around it ? Good enough does not mean steady or precise, it means good enough. Check out Ringo for a first class case of that. Then have him play without click and Beat Map the beast later. Christian well he slips off time on his own and we need him steady so i plan to pump my rhythm guitarist in his headphones with the click too, he has only played to a click a few times. im going to trigger his shell and mic the cymbals so there's going to be midi notes and analog signal. we need a tight sound almost mechanical as far as timing for our genre. but i want to make sure i don't screw anything up by changing tempo after the fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizozland Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Has your drummer ever worked with a click before ? Has he ever worked with a click of changed tempo ? If yes, then have him play to a tempo mapped click. Do you, however, like his natural, unclicked tempo ? Is it good enough to keep it and build the song around it ? Good enough does not mean steady or precise, it means good enough. Check out Ringo for a first class case of that. Then have him play without click and Beat Map the beast later. Christian well he slips off time on his own and we need him steady so i plan to pump my rhythm guitarist in his headphones with the click too, he has only played to a click a few times. im going to trigger his shell and mic the cymbals so there's going to be midi notes and analog signal. we need a tight sound almost mechanical as far as timing for our genre. but i want to make sure i don't screw anything up by changing tempo after the fact Be ready to do both! Some drummers, are good with a click, but if he hasnt done much before...it might throw him totally... be ready with a song that has all your tempo info laid out. Have the option of a few clicks...perhaps the metronome, as well as a midi part playing a soft synth, using a variety of sounds, at differing beats. Eg he might like 1/4 notes, 1/8 notes, 1/2 notes or even a whole note. He might like a shaker on 1/8s and a cowbel on the 2nd and 4th beat...depends on the song. Whatever happens, move quickly and see how he goes, watch his headphone mix, and that he gets what he feels he needs. In the end if its falling apart for him, boost his confidence, drop the click and fix it later. Just get a good solid performance from him, and let him feel good about the process. Lets face it, if you need it robotic, perhaps programming it is better than the drummer trying to emulate bang on timing. cheers Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmaison Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Has your drummer ever worked with a click before ? Has he ever worked with a click of changed tempo ? If yes, then have him play to a tempo mapped click. Do you, however, like his natural, unclicked tempo ? Is it good enough to keep it and build the song around it ? Good enough does not mean steady or precise, it means good enough. Check out Ringo for a first class case of that. Then have him play without click and Beat Map the beast later. Christian well he slips off time on his own and we need him steady so i plan to pump my rhythm guitarist in his headphones with the click too, he has only played to a click a few times. im going to trigger his shell and mic the cymbals so there's going to be midi notes and analog signal. we need a tight sound almost mechanical as far as timing for our genre. but i want to make sure i don't screw anything up by changing tempo after the fact Be ready to do both! Some drummers, are good with a click, but if he hasnt done much before...it might throw him totally... be ready with a song that has all your tempo info laid out. Have the option of a few clicks...perhaps the metronome, as well as a midi part playing a soft synth, using a variety of sounds, at differing beats. Eg he might like 1/4 notes, 1/8 notes, 1/2 notes or even a whole note. He might like a shaker on 1/8s and a cowbel on the 2nd and 4th beat...depends on the song. Whatever happens, move quickly and see how he goes, watch his headphone mix, and that he gets what he feels he needs. In the end if its falling apart for him, boost his confidence, drop the click and fix it later. Just get a good solid performance from him, and let him feel good about the process. Lets face it, if you need it robotic, perhaps programming it is better than the drummer trying to emulate bang on timing. cheers Wiz so how do i use ft synths for the click? or do you mean simply aligning midi notes manually to the accents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizozland Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Has your drummer ever worked with a click before ? Has he ever worked with a click of changed tempo ? If yes, then have him play to a tempo mapped click. Do you, however, like his natural, unclicked tempo ? Is it good enough to keep it and build the song around it ? Good enough does not mean steady or precise, it means good enough. Check out Ringo for a first class case of that. Then have him play without click and Beat Map the beast later. Christian well he slips off time on his own and we need him steady so i plan to pump my rhythm guitarist in his headphones with the click too, he has only played to a click a few times. im going to trigger his shell and mic the cymbals so there's going to be midi notes and analog signal. we need a tight sound almost mechanical as far as timing for our genre. but i want to make sure i don't screw anything up by changing tempo after the fact Be ready to do both! Some drummers, are good with a click, but if he hasnt done much before...it might throw him totally... be ready with a song that has all your tempo info laid out. Have the option of a few clicks...perhaps the metronome, as well as a midi part playing a soft synth, using a variety of sounds, at differing beats. Eg he might like 1/4 notes, 1/8 notes, 1/2 notes or even a whole note. He might like a shaker on 1/8s and a cowbel on the 2nd and 4th beat...depends on the song. Whatever happens, move quickly and see how he goes, watch his headphone mix, and that he gets what he feels he needs. In the end if its falling apart for him, boost his confidence, drop the click and fix it later. Just get a good solid performance from him, and let him feel good about the process. Lets face it, if you need it robotic, perhaps programming it is better than the drummer trying to emulate bang on timing. cheers Wiz so how do i use ft synths for the click? or do you mean simply aligning midi notes manually to the accents? Hi I mean, create your own midi part..that drives a soft synth. does that make sense? cheers Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmaison Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 yeah i think so, im talking about not programming drums but the midi click part, do i just write hte notes in piano roll on time or is there a better way? like if i wanted to have my drummer follow time but have the accents a different sound than the standard click sounds(like a snare or something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizozland Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 yeah i think so, im talking about not programming drums but the midi click part, do i just write hte notes in piano roll on time or is there a better way? like if i wanted to have my drummer follow time but have the accents a different sound than the standard click sounds(like a snare or something) Yep, you got it. You just write in the part, that you want in the piano roll.... http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug03/articles/clicktracks.htm is a great article, on just this topic good luck cheers Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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