matchewy Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 This may be kind of a newbie question... so bare with me: I've been playing with the ES 2 synth for some time now (about 4 months). I really like the ADSR curves, LFO, vector routing, etc... I find that it is extremely easy to create a lot of movement within the ES 2. Switching to unison and adding multiple voices while stacking oscillators sounds great and all, but at the end of the day I still find myself thinking that there is something sonically missing from the ES 2. I can't quite put my finger on it.... maybe it's the filters, I don't know, but I feel like it's lacking body. I can get it sounding pretty nice, but it seems to always maintain these overtones (metaphorically) of a cheap software synth from the 90s. I find it difficult to really break past this. Maybe I need to start experimenting more with stacking the ES 2 with another logic synth, sampling, and then using the exs24 to add even more movement and depth to sounds. I ask because I'm considering investing in Komplete 7, but don't want to spend a large amount of $ until I am absolutely sure I'm ready for something new. I guess I just feel like I can't really get the sound I'm looking for out of the logic's native synths.... is there more exploring to do or is it time to break out and play with 3rd party apps? What are your thoughts/experiences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Try feeding it into a guitar amp. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchewy Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Yes... one thing I haven't experimented much with is adding effects to the signal chain. ::SIGH:: so much to learn!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 matchewy, if you're going for thickness, make sure you read about the Mono, Unison, Voices, Analog, Sine Level and CBD parameters. Make sure you experiment with the fine tuning (or rather detuning) of the oscillators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchewy Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 @David, thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going for thickness! Something that I am learning about right now is that a lot of this had to do with contrast in the frequency domain. Mono, Unison, voices, de-tuning, and a touch of analog most definitely make things sound big. I really love to tie an LFO to the pitch of one of the oscillators and very slowly modulate it... add's a lot movement (i love it). I'm forcing the es 2 to mono through the gain plug-in as well... maybe I should keep this in stereo? Still feeling like there's something missing though. I do need to play with the CBD... will have fun this tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Inserting a Gain plug-in to make the sound mono will definitely make it tinier (depending on your patch obviously), so you be the judge. Depends on the mix. If your track has a lot of things going on, a mono synth might be easier to place in that busy mix. If the ES2 is at a point in the song where it needs to shine, stereo is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayfield Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Try feeding it into a guitar amp. Christian I agree. I suggest starting with one of Amp Designer's clean settings with a little reverb. The ES2's output is like that of the line out of a synth. If you want more depth you will want the sound of a room. Reverb and amp simulation both do this, in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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