surf Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Hey guys, So here the thing I'm fairly new to recording, I have been using logic pro since I started and I was wondering a few things. First, I was wondering if their was any way with logic pro to find out the dynamic range of a specific track..... Or than find out what is the highest input level of a track and the lowest and I can do the math after. I would like to find out so I can then setup my compressors right. Thanks for everything guys! Surf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzwah Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 By the looks of your posts, your quest for knowledge would be helped a lot if you had a look at the MacProVideos especially the Mastering Toolkit by Steve Horelick. It will answer most, if not all your questions on frequencies, compressors etc. it's very easy to watch and listen to. I am in no way associated with them I'm just a satisfied customer. http://www.macprovideo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Mastering toolkit??? How about starting at ground level? http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1649/001689dc03419400343074.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surf Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 thanks guys that's awesome that books looks really great do you have any resources that you would recommend but related to mac? thanks again surf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 thanks guys that's awesome that books looks really great do you have any resources that you would recommend but related to mac? thanks again surf There are virtually limitless books written on these subjects. I think you are going w-a-y-y-y-y overboard trying to analyze the dynamic range of a track so that you can set a compressor. Let's re read that a few times ... analyze the dynamic range of a track so that you can set a compressor. analyze the dynamic range of a track so that you can set a compressor. analyze the dynamic range of a track so that you can set a compressor. analyze the dynamic range of a track so that you can set a compressor. Why would you even need a compressor in this situation? What are you trying to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanam Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Sorry - I'm not offering any tips! But thanks for asking the question as it's something I've also wondered for a while. For me, ideally, I'd like a graph of the volume change over time, min, max, average, standard deviation, that sort of stuff. Yes, nerdy I know. So, I can buy the videos, or some other book. OK, but I'm seriously ... err... financially challenged/ broke/ skint etc so not really an option for me. So, is there any way to get this info from logic? Overall min and max are only so useful, but at least it would be a start. And yes, I can sit there and watch the metres and yes they do record the overall max ... when you play the track all the way through (as they reset evertime you stop and start). As I said, what would be ideal is to have a volume by time graph. Of course, the wave form for audio is in effect such a graph, but only for that region of that track. When you've got a number of audio files, recorded separately, not always with same volume at time of recording, it gets complicated quickly. Also, bouncing the whole thing and looking at the total waveform gives a picture, but it's hardly an elegant way of doing it. I'm sure there's something obvious - so I'm happy to get "Jeez, read page xxx to xxx of the manual for crying out loud!". Wait - there's a manual!? ; ) cheers MIkeC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surf Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 all I want to know is how to find it......... is there any graph I can look or plugins that will tell me.... surf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Give a 'for example.' Are you talking Orchestra? Speed Metal? Crickets chirping? Mosquitoes farting? Did the guitar track clip? Is the Vocalist way too loud? (I actually witness a powerful singer blow out a speaker.) Are you trying to use processors to compensate for poor mixing abilities? Obviously with no input sound, you meter should show no activity. The high end depends on how you set it up. If you want a wide dynamic range, stay away from the processors, if you want a very tight limited range, use noise gates, limiters, and compressors. You can look at your Sample Editor and use a level meter if you really want to waste time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Assuming a zero noise floor (as is the case with most virtual instruments), the lowest point in the dynamic range of any given track is going to be silence. If you've recorded a live instrument and there's some room or noise on the line, just look in the sample editor and you'll get an idea of the ambient level of the noise. Or use one of the meters to show you the average ambient noise level during portions of the recording where there's no music playing. So the answer to "lowest" is going to be either zero or "something", where "something" is most easily seen on a meter. For the highest end, open any region in the sample editor and use the Search Peak function. Ta da. But keep in mind that the relative dynamic range for any given part is going to be relative to all other parts in your arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 thanks guys that's awesome that books looks really great do you have any resources that you would recommend but related to mac? I have even better: I wrote a book that is specific to Logic, and that'll teach you all the basics about producing music with Logic. It starts from scratch so if you're a beginner or relatively new to the topic, it will be perfect for you. Of interest to you, it does explain how to use a compressor, a limiter and an EQ plug-in (among many other things). Click on the book to access the Amazon page where you can look inside the book. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5191ZQ2rA%2BL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Moth Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Sigh. You guys should read the Subject line. He wants to know to sort out/deal with Dynamic Rage! At which I happen to be expert level 42. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 To analyze "long term" dynamic range you can use the FREE AudioLeak! http://www.channld.com/dwnldpg.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagerfeldt Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 He wants to know to sort out/deal with Dynamic Rage! True, I think Dynamic Rage aka. The Loudness War is explained pretty well here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Made two pics with AudioLeak that illustrate what has changed in "mastering for attention" (Loudness Weapons of mass hearing destruction) The first is Psycho Killer by the Talking Heads. The second is Just haven't met you yet by M. Boob-lay. Bubble. Whatever. The second is the true psycho-killer. It is nigh unlistenable, which is a pity, as it's a very nice song, compositionally, melodically. But it has been steamrollered (compressed, loud-ified) to death. Needless to say, I prefer the first. The second is a hearing killer. Set the first song to the loudest comfortable volume and listen. Keep that volume and try the second song. After a very short time you reach, nay, JUMP, for the volume knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Needless to say, I prefer the first. The second is a hearing killer. Set the first song to the loudest comfortable volume and listen. Keep that volume and try the second song. After a very short time you reach, nay, JUMP, for the volume knob. So in other words, you are using your ears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Needless to say, I prefer the first. The second is a hearing killer. Set the first song to the loudest comfortable volume and listen. Keep that volume and try the second song. After a very short time you reach, nay, JUMP, for the volume knob. So in other words, you are using your ears? Ha! Why would I do that? I can see it clearly. Actually, with this brickwalled music you don't need ears, you can use touch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassey37 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I just limit each sound on its own track... this way everything is optimally loud, yet I don't need to squash everything on the master... makes for a much more dynamic mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieDOS Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 There's a very simple application to get the dynamic range. It's called TT DR Offline Meter, it analyzes not-compressed audio file and gives all the information about dynamic range etc etc have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Actually, with this brickwalled music you don't need ears, you can use touch... A bit late to the party, but... " " Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Actually, with this brickwalled music you don't need ears, you can use touch... Maybe one day the pop music industry will wake up and go "Wait.... they're called limiters.... won't that limit the musical expressiveness?! Wow, how come we never realized....." But with guys like Dada Life gleefully extolling the virtues of their own limiter thingie - appropriately called the Sausage Fattener, that time may be long in coming. And in a few years, the Dada Lifers will have gone all Pete Tong and be listening with their fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The first is Psycho Killer by the Talking Heads.The second is Just haven't met you yet by M. Boob-lay. Bubble. Whatever. The second is the true psycho-killer. It is nigh unlistenable, which is a pity, as it's a very nice song, compositionally, melodically. But it has been steamrollered (compressed, loud-ified) to death. For some reason, that Bublé song reminds me of Avril Lavigne's Complicated, also a severely squashed choon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Maybe one day the pop music industry will wake up and go "Wait.... they're called limiters.... won't that limit the musical expressiveness?! Wow, how come we never realized....." Since when has pop music been about musical expressiveness? It's all about catchy hooks, BIG sounds, and making lots of MONEY. If a song has a quiet section in it, who's going to hear that on the radio or in a mall? Sonic abrasiveness sells records because it gets them noticed above the din of our noisy culture. Shame that those engineering practices have spilled over into genres that it does a disservice to though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Since when has pop music been about musical expressiveness? Ahhh the pure emotion in the singer's voice when he utters "sh-sh-sh-sh-shake dat boody". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainstick Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 OK.... i opened up Noisia - Sigma the other other week and had a look at the wave form... haha.... If there is a loudness war they've got nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Moth Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Couple of months ago we were going on a pie pilgramage to Hornby. Sunny day. Radio was crap...clicked to CD of Delius. Most appropriate for the English countryside....but had to turn the volume up a lot...cos "The dynamics on this are so cool you can't hear half of it!". Much laughter (from heavy geezers who knew what it meant). Hic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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