Logic reading things prematurely

[medics]

Ive recently installed Logic 9 onto my new machine (12 core mac pro) and been having some issues. One being the automation doesnt read where it should, say if i want to insert a delay on at bar 9, i have to automate it on slightly after the bar in order for it to come on at bar 9.

 

Changing the preferences to Volume, Pans, Sends, Plug in parameters doesn't work.

 

Any ideas?

[ski]

First, your automation prefs should always be set to Volume, Pans, Sends, Plugins (there's barely any use for any of the other settings).

 

Next, if you've written in automation and then changed the automation prefs to include plugins, that won't correct the problem. You'll have to re-do your automation.

 

The only other time I've ever seen automation not function as expected (assuming the automation prefs are set as I suggest) is if your song start marker is set somewhere before bar 1 1 1 1. If it's set to 0 1 1 1, or -1 1 1 1 or anything that's not 1 1 1 1 you may well be experiencing automation problems.

[medics]

First, your automation prefs should always be set to Volume, Pans, Sends, Plugins (there's barely any use for any of the other settings).

 

Next, if you've written in automation and then changed the automation prefs to include plugins, that won't correct the problem. You'll have to re-do your automation.

 

The only other time I've ever seen automation not function as expected (assuming the automation prefs are set as I suggest) is if your song start marker is set somewhere before bar 1 1 1 1. If it's set to 0 1 1 1, or -1 1 1 1 or anything that's not 1 1 1 1 you may well be experiencing automation problems.

 

Thanks for your repsonse. I thought that maybe this problem was just a one off with an older project that i'd started on my old comp then brought onto the new one.

 

However ive started a fresh project and still the same problem. Basic automation of a channel eq frequency automates wrong. It almost anticipates the automation and reads is a beat or so before its actually drawn.

 

This is incredibly annoying, if anyone has any suggestions, id really appreciate it!

 

Thank you

[medics]

It appears to me now that logic is showing things like channel EQ analysers, compressors, etc. early...the analyser is ahead of the track and doesn't sync.

 

This problem definitely didn't happen on my old iMac with the same version of Logic. There must be a setting somewhere that is causing this problem.

[medics]

Just now i have narrowed the problem down to just audio. For example, i have a MIDI track that the channel EQ analyzer works fine on, but an audio kick sample i have, the analyzer is late.

[Jordi Torres]

So now the problem is the opposite as before? The "visuals" are late instead of early?

 

J.

[ski]

I don't know that you can go by the visuals with the EQ's analyzer, as Jordito is pointing out.

 

Can you confirm that you've got your automation preferences set as I suggested above? That would go a long way towards us understanding where the problem might stem from.

[medics]

So now the problem is the opposite as before? The "visuals" are late instead of early?

 

 

J.

 

Sorry, the visuals are early. My mistake.

 

I don't know that you can go by the visuals with the EQ's analyzer, as Jordito is pointing out.

 

Can you confirm that you've got your automation preferences set as I suggested above? That would go a long way towards us understanding where the problem might stem from.

 

I have the preferences set as you explained, yes.

 

Ive just loaded up an EXS 24, and am running through the EXS 808 sounds in the piano roll...there seems to be latency when dragging a note up and down the piano roll keys with my mouse to audition the various hits.

[Jordi Torres]

the visuals are early.

 

You'll get that for sure if you have latency-inducing plug-ins in aux or output channels.

 

J.

[medics]

You'll get that for sure if you have latency-inducing plug-ins in aux or output channels.

 

Ive done a test and the same thing happens even if i open a new project with one mono audio channel, with just an EQ analyser on it.

 

I believe it is something to do with plug in latency, but cant think why. This is exactly the same set up as my old one. When i set logic to low latency mode, the visual is slightly closer to when the audio plays, but still way off.

 

The only thing ive done recently that i can think of that may have caused an issue is, partitioning my HD. I had it set up into 3 partitions, but after reading that its better to have just the one, i re-partitioned it back into one.

 

It seems like there is a latency over everything in logic, like the audio sounds after logic plays it. Weird.

[medics]

Right, i believe i have figured out a solution. I checked my other Logic on my old iMac for settings, and the settings in Preferences, General, Cycle, Cycle Pre-Processing was "1/96", whereas on my new machine it was "off". Changing this has made a massive difference.

 

The "Smooth Cycle Algorithm" box was unchecked though...should this be checked?

 

Also, what the hell does this stuff mean? Does this explain why i was having my problem???

[Jordi Torres]

Cycle Pre-Processing pop-up menu: In order to ensure a smooth cycle jump (from the

end point of a cycle back to the start point of a cycle), the cycle jump is processed

slightly before its actual position. This preference allows you to change the

pre-processing time. A value of 1/96 is chosen by default, which should be suitable for

most uses.

 

I don't see how this is related to your problem, but if that has somehow made things better...well, good!

 

 

J.

[David Nahmani]

I don't see how this is related to your problem

 

Neither do I.

 

I just did a test: set my tempo to 5bpm. That means a beat is 12 seconds. That means 1/96 is 1/2 second, or 500ms, something you'd definitely see. But I don't see any difference in my Channel EQ Analyzer and on my Compressor Gain Reduction meter reaction time when I change the cycle pre-processing from none to 1/96. In both cases, the display is simultaneous with what I hear and what I see in the Arrange area.

[medics]

Classic.

 

Now Logic's started doing the same thing again, despite which cycle setting i have it set to.

 

What is going on?!?!

[medics]

Has anyone ever had a problem like this before?

 

Can anyone think of ANYTHING that may help?...other than to uninstall and reinstall Logic?

[cuetone]

Sorry, I am not going to be helpful, but I am having a very similar problem, so I will expose it in here just not to start a new post.

 

I have been working on a video project for several days without having any kind of problem, but just half an hour ago, after adding a reverb to a channel strip and automating the dry output level I started having the same problem as you, but ONLY with the track in which I have inserted the reverb OR new ones.

 

Apart from that, when I hit the spacebar to start playing, it moves about one second before and starts playing from that point. If I go to the song start marker by pressing enter it goes to 1.1.1.1, but if hit play it goes back to 0.3.1.xxx. This is not affecting the sync between audio and image, as it simply starts playing earlier, but maybe it has something to do with.

 

Sorry again for posting this in here and thank you.

[medics]

Sorry, I am not going to be helpful, but I am having a very similar problem, so I will expose it in here just not to start a new post.

 

I have been working on a video project for several days without having any kind of problem, but just half an hour ago, after adding a reverb to a channel strip and automating the dry output level I started having the same problem as you, but ONLY with the track in which I have inserted the reverb OR new ones.

 

Apart from that, when I hit the spacebar to start playing, it moves about one second before and starts playing from that point. If I go to the song start marker by pressing enter it goes to 1.1.1.1, but if hit play it goes back to 0.3.1.xxx. This is not affecting the sync between audio and image, as it simply starts playing earlier, but maybe it has something to do with.

 

Sorry again for posting this in here and thank you.

 

Very annoying...i don't see why Logic can just start doing things like this...and why no one seems to know how to sort it.

[David Nahmani]

...and why no one seems to know how to sort it.

 

It's very difficult to solve a problem when you go only by what a user is telling you and without actually experiencing it for yourself and sitting in front of the computer to troubleshoot it. Especially when you have never encountered that specific problem yourself.

[medics]

It's very difficult to solve a problem when you go only by what a user is telling you and without actually experiencing it for yourself and sitting in front of the computer to troubleshoot it. Especially when you have never encountered that specific problem yourself.

 

Do you know of any service that is provided to help sort problems that cant be solved in forums such as this one? I rang Apple to try and get someone's help over the phone and they said it'd cost me £85 if they were to help me solve this one issue.

 

That seems ridiculous.

[medics]

So now, Logic seems to just be reading automation early when bypassing/inputting an insert. I've read some threads which express the same problem, but no cure.

 

If this narrows down the problem, any other ideas?

 

Thanks in advance.

[BetaControl]

So now, Logic seems to just be reading automation early when bypassing/inputting an insert. I've read some threads which express the same problem, but no cure.

 

If this narrows down the problem, any other ideas?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

im another i cant help but im having the same issue and sometimes it just dosnt even record automation at all

[Area5onE]

I have recorded two songs in Logic Pro 9. THey both were playing fine. Then I went into my file on day to work on recording other parts, and noticed when I played it back that my audio was playing at a sped up rate. Even the vocals for the chorus came in after the beat dropped and although I attempted to reset the regions manually, using the pointer tool. However nothing would work as all the automation were playing at a damaged rate.

 

Is there a reason for this, and a solution as it trickled or and glitches another recording the same way and I am concerned that as I continue to more forward that it will spread like a virus and devour any further projects.

 

I am not sure if it is my audio driver, or that the effects caused a overload. or something else. Should i just delete these recordings, or is there a way to salvage them?