Holger Lagerfeldt Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Can anyone confirm that the Ducker plug-in has an audible sidechain at all times in Logic 9.1.4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
involver Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 From this pic you can see I can confirm that. Logic is stopped, just UB's onboard sequencer is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Can anyone confirm that the Ducker plug-in has an audible sidechain at all times in Logic 9.1.4? It always has. The sidechain is the key signal and will duck the signal by the amount set when the set threshold is exceeded. Otherwise, the signal will play thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Lagerfeldt Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm not sure what you really mean. The sidechain signal shouldn't be audible and never is unless the dynamic processor has a sidechain solo feature that enables you to listen to the sidechain in solo. The sidechain is the signal that passes through to the control circuit which then tells the amplifier how to modify the input audio. It's a control signal, not something you're supposed to hear in the audio chain. If the sidechain is audible you'll get both signals playing at the same time (and delayed since there's a lookahead feature), which means the Ducker is unusable at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Confirmed here to. Moving to the Bug section. FWIW I did a quick test and the Ducker behaves the same in 9.0.2 and 9.1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Lagerfeldt Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thanks, interesting. I very rarely use it, but I needed to demonstrate something for a client yesterday and discovered the audible sidechain bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valis Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Interesting... I can't remember the last time I even noticed there was a ducker, I just use the compressor typically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTMusic Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hi If I understand the issue correctly, p 97 of the Studio Effects manual might shed some light? "Note: Unlike all other side-chain-capable plug-ins, the Ducker side chain is mixed with the output signal after passing through the plug-in. This ensures that the ducking side-chain signal—the voice-over—is heard at the output." CCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 A-HA. It's supposed to mix both signal. Interesting. I would have thought it worked like a sidechained compressor... Thanks CCT! OK moving this back to the Logic forum, and returning to reading the manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTMusic Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hi My thoughts exactly CCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jope Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Only one question is open: Why anyone should want the ducker to work this way. But obviously it is rarely used (I for myself don't use it, I rather use sidechained Compressor as Valis wrote). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I think the plug-in was written for GarageBand first, for podcast producers. Maybe that made more sense with GarageBand's signal routing...? Just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTMusic Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hi Yep... GB Podcast production... CCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Lagerfeldt Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 LOL, thats quite funny and very surprising. And now shivermetimbers comment makes sense, in regards to this particular plug-in only of course. Thanks. I'm a little baffled as to why they've done it this way instead of the normal way, but the GarageBand explanation makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pspiralife Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Pity the Ducker has a faster release than the Logic Compressor.. You can get a faster release with teh different settings to chose from with logics compressor (opto ect). But all of those come with a dirty signal when the sidechain Trigger scource plays. I am not happy with the smallest release rate of the Logic compressor.. Can anyone recommend a 3rd party ( not to expensive ) compressor that has a fast release? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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