louisgab Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Im sending two mono (drum overhead) tracks (panned left and right) to a bus and outputing that Bus to my main out. On the Bus I inserted the I/O plugin to send the signal to SSL X Rack EQs. Now the I/O routing : I'm sending the signal through Analog outs of my Ensemble and coming back in Analog ins. I made sure +4db was checked on my Apogee for the Ins and Outs and did the same on the SSL EQ. Now when I put the plugin, I end up with very low volume. As soon as I bypass it, it goes back to normal volume level. Am I doing anything wrong here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 It seems to me that you have a double routing somewhere. Could you provide a screen shot of your mixer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 If your I/O levels are at unity, then it seems like you will need to adjust the volume of the SSL X Rack EQs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Here's a Screenshot of the setup. There's also OH left going to Bus2 but I showed "single" so the picture wouldn't be too big. (Output 9-10 is my output for my Monitors) As for the SSL X Rack EQ there is no volume control aside from the +4db/-10db switch at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Can you ditch the Logic EQ and put the I/O insert (mono) directly on those channel strips? The I/O output (or input) can be used to regulate the volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just tried I get the same result, barely any volume. Even if I max out the I/O plugin input or output volume, I get a lot of issss and still a very low volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Hi Louis! I wish you'd also posted a screenshot of your I/O plug-ins. Can you explain your routing? On your screenshot I see that you are sending Audio 14 to only the right side of a stereo I/O plug-in, which is then routed to Out 9-10. Meanwhile you're also sending some of the OH directly to Out 8-10. Not sure why...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Here's a Screenshot of the setup. There's also OH left going to Bus2 but I showed "single" so the picture wouldn't be too big. (Output 9-10 is my output for my Monitors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I would still recommend you keep your outputs at unity. You should have the option to switch one of the knobs so that it functions as a gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Bypass the EQ altogether to see if there is something wrong with the routing inside maestro. IE: Cable the output directly to your input and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Here's a Screenshot of the setup. There's also OH left going to Bus2 but I showed "single" so the picture wouldn't be too big. (Output 9-10 is my output for my Monitors) OK I missed that - that explains the panning, but still doesn't explain why dry OH is sent to one pair of outputs while wet OH is sent to another, and I still don't know what i/o settings are inside the i/o plug-in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 OK I missed that - that explains the panning, but still doesn't explain why dry OH is sent to one pair of outputs while wet OH is sent to another, and I still don't know what i/o settings are inside the i/o plug-in... It's simple. There is a right way, a wrong way, and then louisgab's way. I don't understand why thew routing is so complicated. I think the main issue is with the SSl button that double functions as an EQ or as a GAIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Here's a Screenshot of the setup. There's also OH left going to Bus2 but I showed "single" so the picture wouldn't be too big. (Output 9-10 is my output for my Monitors) OK I missed that - that explains the panning, but still doesn't explain why dry OH is sent to one pair of outputs while wet OH is sent to another, and I still don't know what i/o settings are inside the i/o plug-in... @David Out 7-8 is the output for the HeadPhones send I hat set up for the drummer. Even if bypassed it dosen't change anything. I/O Settings : Output 1-2 of Ensemble going in SSL and Output of SSL going in Ensemble 5-6 analog. @EricBradley I did try with the SSL EQ switch "IN' on and off still the same result. @shivermetimbers I'll check the manual again to see if that functions exists. But I remember reading it thoroughly and not seeing this but I'll give it a check tomorow morning when I get to the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 @EricBradley I did try with the SSL EQ switch "IN' on and off still the same result. Just get the EQ out of the loop. Connect the Ensamble output 1-2 to Ensamble input x-y. Does that make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I/O Settings : Output 1-2 of Ensemble going in SSL and Output of SSL going in Ensemble 5-6 analog. louisgab, Start from scratch. Create a new Empty Project. Don't connect the SSL to outputs 1 & 2 of the Ensemble since those are controlled by the front panel encoder and are meant to feed your monitors. Use 5&6 for both send and return. At least for now. Set up the I/O plug on a test oscillator instrument track. Go from there. Make sure the settings in the Apogee mixer app are all correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 @EricBradley Got the EQ out of the loop, and when I turn the I/O plugin, I can barely hear. @fader8 I tested in a new empty project with the TestOsc, and tried with EQ in and out of the loop. Still no positive result. I used output 5 and Input 6. @shivermetimbers I Reread the PDF manual and nothing is said about a switch or pot that becomes a volume control. There's a calibration possible if a meter or something else has been replaced, but I bought everything new and I've used them before (not with the I/O plugin) and the volume levels were fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 ...It's working. I rebooted after the last tests, trashed preferences, transfered all the tracks into a new project and it's working! Am I just unlucky or was it bugged or? Thanks for all the help guys! Very much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Louis, sorry to hear you're going nowhere so far. Thanks for sharing your routing details. Check that all your levels are at unity in Maestro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 ...It's working. I rebooted after the last tests, trashed preferences, transfered all the tracks into a new project and it's working! Am I just unlucky or was it bugged or? Thanks for all the help guys! Very much appreciated! That's great. Don't now what it is it could be a Maestro/driver issue. Test the old project to see if it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisgab Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 @EricBradley It's working in the old project as well now...! But I don't use Maestro for Logic, only for FireFox, Itunes, etc. I use the Build in Apogee Control Panel in LP. Options>Audio>Open Apogee Control Panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 @EricBradley It's working in the old project as well now...! But I don't use Maestro for Logic, only for FireFox, Itunes, etc. I use the Build in Apogee Control Panel in LP. Options>Audio>Open Apogee Control Panel. It's even better that it is working on that project as well. Maybe it was a corrupt preference file in logic but it sounds to me like a driver/software issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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