Insert hardware sequencer between controller and Logic Seq?

[knolan]

Hi -

 

I want to link a hardware sequencer between my keyboard controller and the logic sequencer input and wonder if I can do this via the environment?

 

The hardware sequencer in question is called a ZYKLUS - its a hardware sequencer which can then be 'preformed' in real-time from a keyboard. I want to trigger that sequencer from my keyboard controller without physically chaining them separately - ie - have them both connected to my MOTU Midi-Timepiece but use the environment to MIDI "daisy chain" them so that when I play the keyboard it's note data is routed into the hardware ZYKLUS sequencer MIDI input (and not the Logic sequencer input), and with the ZYKLUS MIDI out then routed into the Logic Sequencer input to play any MIDI Track record enabled in the arrange window.

 

Is this possible and if so, how exaclty do I impelement that?

 

Thanks,

Kevin.

[Jordi Torres]

I want to trigger that sequencer from my keyboard controller without physically chaining them separately

 

Why not? You can play notes on your keyboard that go through Logic and reach the Zyklus via an external MIDI track.

 

so that when I play the keyboard it's note data is routed into the hardware ZYKLUS sequencer MIDI input (and not the Logic sequencer input), and with the ZYKLUS MIDI out then routed into the Logic Sequencer input to play any MIDI Track record enabled in the arrange window.

 

Is this possible and if so, how exaclty do I impelement that?

 

Yes, but you don't need to do anything in the environment for this to work.

 

J.

[knolan]

Jordito -

 

Simplicity itself - that just didn't occur to me. Thank you - I'll look into this implementation (when I have my room rewired (major revamp going on currently !)). Thank you!

 

kind regards,

Kevin.

[knolan]

Actually Jordito -

 

Perhaps not as straight forward :-

 

Re. using the external midi track - how exactly? I think the 1st part of my process is OK - just have a ZYKLYS object in the arrange page and record enable it. Then, any controller keyboard notes will route the ZYKLUS which when in record mode will record them as the desired sequence. So that's how I get the sequence into the ZYKLUS via Logic.

 

But it's the 2nd part I can't envisage. Here, the ZYKLUS is in Play mode and is the source of MIDI notes to be routed to other Logic MIDI tracks (but being triggered / performed by my controller keyboard). How do I get the controller keyboard notes in this phase to the ZYKLUS only and not also at the other MIDI tracks on the arrange paged selected to be played by the ZYKLUS? Surely as soon as I select any arrange page MIDI track it will be triggered by the Controller Keyboard too?

 

Instead I want the controller keyboard notes to route only to the ZYKLUS to control it - and have only the ZYKLUS sequence midi sequence already recorded to go to the selected arrange page MIDI track(s) in the arrange Page. So I need to deflect the controller keyboard notes away from the Logic-sequencer input and towards the ZYKLUS, and also have th Controller-ZYKLUS combination be the default MIDI controller of Logic MIDI tracks selected on the arrange page.

 

So I still can't quite envisage how to route to other Logic MIDI tracks the 2nd phase of my process (after the ZYKLUS has a sequence on board) - controller keyboard triggering the ZYKLUS in Play Mode and the ZYKLUS sending that sequence MIDI data to other tracks.

 

Won't I have to build a kind of 'combined instrument in the environment' with the controller keyboard detached from the Logic-sequencer input and instead routed to the input of the ZYKLUS, with the output of the ZYKLUS output connected to the Logic-sequencer input? And then have Logic see that combination as a controller?

 

Are you saying the two can be daisy chained without going into the environment?

 

kind regards,

Kevin.

[knolan]

Just pushing this back up to see if any Logic Environment / MIDI experts might offer some thoughts on my issue.

 

In summary - I want to use the environment to intercept midi notes form my controller keyboard and route them to a hardware sequencer to trigger/perform with it in realtime. I then want the hardware sequencer output midi notes to go into the Logic Sequencer and trigger any synth(s) selected on the Arrange page.

 

So its' this:

 

Keyboard --> ZYKLUS MIDI Sequencer ---> Logic Sequencer Input --> Arrange Page

 

In essence - to make the [Keyboard ---> ZYKLUS] as one controller input object into Logic - and with the Keyboard MIDI out being temporarilty routed to the ZYKLUS MIDI in via the environmen if I select this object; otherwise for the Keyboard to go to the Logic Sequencer Input as normal when I'm not using the ZYKULS sequencer.

 

 

Thanks!

Kevin.

[Jordi Torres]

Hi knolan, I've been away a couple of days...

 

and with the Keyboard MIDI out being temporarilty routed to the ZYKLUS MIDI in via the environmen if I select this object

 

External MIDI track outputting to the port in the MOTU that goes to the MIDI input of the zyklus. When this track is selected, it will take input from the keyboard regardless how you have it connected (USB or port in the MOTU).

 

otherwise for the Keyboard to go to the Logic Sequencer Input as normal when I'm not using the ZYKULS sequencer.

 

Deselect the external midi track that goes to zyklus whenever you don't want MIDI from the keyboard to reach it.

 

Now, I don't know this zyklus and don't know exactly what you'd be recording from it...but if what you want to record is the product of triggering it with the keyboard, you could use the "auto demix by channel if multitrack recording" setting to trigger the zyklus using the keyboard while at the same time recording the zyklus' output to a separate track.

 

J.

[Jordi Torres]

Another option would be to plug the keyboard straight to the Zyklus, and the Zyklus to a MIDI input on the MOTU. You'll trigger the Zyklus directly from the keyboard and record its output to a track in Logic.

 

When you're done doing that and just want to use the keyboard normally, enable the MIDI Thru function on the Zyklus.

 

J.

[Jordi Torres]

Or doing the way you envision it, using an instrument object to output to the zyklus plus a cable switcher to switch to midi keyboard-only mode:

 

(I'm using the IAC Bus in the picture just because it was there in front of me, you'd need to use whichever ports apply)

[knolan]

Jordito -

 

thank you most sincerely for that solution. I'll try it for sure (still a few weeks away from my room being rebuilt with the ZYKLUS hooked up but you give me real hope that this can be achieved through Logic and not my messing around with MIDI cables.

 

 

Thanks again - you've really helped me here.

 

 

Best regards,

Kevin.

[Jordi Torres]

You're welcome. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes.

 

Regards,

 

J.