luca9583 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi I flexed some live drums that weren't recorded to a click and made them perfectly in time to the grid by flexing each kick and snare hit with the whole group phase locked. This sounded great but a little too "perfect" in terms of timing. So, is there a way to take the original live drums and match them to the overall time of the grid but still keep the groove/timing of the performance, while still being able to correct the timing of one or 2 hits? Would it work if you just cut the performance up into verse, chorus, bridge etc, remove all transient markers, and then insert manual flex markers for only the first kick hit and last hit of each section to place the section "in time" to the grid? I don't want to quantize anything or use the performance as a groove template, i just want to flex the performance so that it's in time with the grid overall. If so, i'm thinking slicing mode wouldn't be ideal for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlowerPower Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi, if you start from scratch, and do not Flex, but Beat Map the track in stead, there will be no altering of the groove - you will only be moving the grid lines. Flex: alters the timing. Beat Mapping: alters the grid. If you want to use the Quantize feature on a track (NB after Beat Mapping, never before!), check out the advanced Quantization paramters in the Inspector. The dilemma is that if you completely beat map a track, it will be aligned to the grid, and when it is, quantization won't have any effect (if all transients already are aligned with the grid. I'm sure you can achieve what you want, just make sure that you beat map before you Flex (if you need to do both), and don't mix up what the two features are doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janne Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I suggest that you flex only the major beats (try a 1/8 or 1/4) if you want the performance on click but still want to keep some of the live feel. The other option would be the suggestion from FlowerPower. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luca9583 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thanks for the replies folks. I think flexing only the major beats might be the way to go. Beat mapping is not what i want to do here..if i've understood correctly, all that would do would be to make the grid follow the live performance in terms of bars and beats but not actually make it follow the time of a strict metronome. The only time consuming thing here is having to keep all the transient markers to do the flexing on the major beats, and then having to get rid of all other transient markers to hear the results properly without the "sliced up" effect you here before you've finished flexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlowerPower Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 But what do you mean by Flexing the main beats? I'd understand what you mean by beat mapping only the main beats, but if these tracks aren't recorded to a click, what do you want to do with 'flexing' the major beats? i just want to flex the performance so that it's in time with the grid overall. Flexing something *changes* the rhythm. Dragging major events onto the grid (which isn't in time with the recording at all, since it isn't recording to the grid (click). Any by Flexing, I mean that you move some of the recorded elements onto another position. If you don't want to change the groove, don't move the music; move the grid. And that's what Beat Mapping is for. When you beat map, you drag the bar lines so it matches the music, but when you Flex, you drag the groove out of it's original position - and most likely onto a grid which has no relevance to the music at all. If you have a straight forward rock beat with bass drums on the first beat in every bar, you can't Flex only that bass drum, and you certainly don't want to try to make it match a random grid. If you Flex only the main down beats, th result will both look and sound wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luca9583 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yes of course that's correct..although this drum performance keeps a steady time throughout so flexing the major beats is just a way of aligning the performance to the grid. ..what i've done now is take the recording, detected the average tempo and then roughly lined up the hits to the standard grid. Then i flexed all the snare hits until the end of the performance so that the whole take is lined up to the grid. Then i gradually remove all the flex markers i've used and only keep a few and voila..it's now perfectly in time to the click but without sounding quantized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janne Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yes of course that's correct..although this drum performance keeps a steady time throughout so flexing the major beats is just a way of aligning the performance to the grid. ..what i've done now is take the recording, detected the average tempo and then roughly lined up the hits to the standard grid. Then i flexed all the snare hits until the end of the performance so that the whole take is lined up to the grid. Then i gradually remove all the flex markers i've used and only keep a few and voila..it's now perfectly in time to the click but without sounding quantized. This was what I meant by flexing the main beats. Usually if I want to keep the groove with all the ghost notes I only align the kick and snare main hits (on a usual 4/4 beat they hit on very 1/8 or 1/4). Glad youve managed to fix your recording Regards J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luca9583 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Awesome and thanks so much for the tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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