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Hi people!

 

I'm completelly new to logic, just purchased it and got it downloaded and it crashes time after time after time... What I started doing was browsing the instrument library and it works fine for abit but after the 5th or 10th or 15th switch of instrument or so everything goes frozen for a sec then BAM, logic pro has crashed. I restart it, and the same thing happens again after a little while.

 

I'm currently for testing just using the internal sound and I've tried setting it to a higher buffer just in case, this seemed to MAYBE decrease the interval abit of the crashes but I'm not sure because the interval is pretty uneven, but I can never sit more than say 15 minutes browsing instruments. This is on a brand new iMac, only thing connected is a midi keyboard.

 

Where do I start analyzing this? :( feels like I'm right back at pc music making... 90% gear fiddling, 10% creativity.

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Man I think you are experiencing a rare problem, Ive never had an issue like this on a mac but nobody is gonna be able to help you unless they know what os your running, what model iMac it is, any third party plugins etc etc. If you do have third party plugins I would disable them in the au manager to start with.

 

To get a better answer stick all that info in your signature :)

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Sorry for omitting those details... I have 10.7.3, iMac mid-2011, internal sound (for now, waiting for new interface), NO third-party plugins (ok I lied, I have autotune I think but never been used in logic yet - could they still be causing a problem?).

 

Well that was settling, rare issue, sounds great :/ I just installed logic too I might add, so I haven't had the time to fiddle-break it either in any way. The only ting I did was moving a few instrument libs and sample data folders to my other disk, sym-linking those so that logic can access the files per normal. I was just thinking whatever this could be an issue, but I can't see how it would cause everything to work and load instrument and sample wise, but then crash after a while, seems unlikely.

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Here is one typical crash dump if that helps, I can't personally see anything suggesting much of anything:

 

 

Process: Logic Pro [1177]

Path: /Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro

Identifier: com.apple.logic.pro

Version: 9.1.7 (1700.57)

Build Info: Logic-17005700~2

App Item ID: 459578486

App External ID: 6130764

Code Type: X86 (Native)

Parent Process: launchd [118]

 

Date/Time: 2012-04-29 00:18:24.519 +0200

OS Version: Mac OS X 10.7.3 (11D50b)

Report Version: 9

 

Interval Since Last Report: 1213915 sec

Crashes Since Last Report: 35

Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 14451 sec

Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 7

Anonymous UUID: 51BAF72D-F529-475F-939F-6991C8E6D694

 

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

 

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGABRT)

Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000

 

VM Regions Near 0:

--> __PAGEZERO 0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [ 4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro

__TEXT 0000000000001000-0000000000be8000 [ 11.9M] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro

 

Application Specific Information:

Performing @selector(browserSelectionDidChange:) from sender DfProBrowser 0x290deac0

objc[1177]: garbage collection is OFF

abort() called

 

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f19c6 __pthread_kill + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93817f78 pthread_kill + 106

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93808ce3 __abort + 198

3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93808c1d abort + 231

4 com.apple.logic.pro 0x003e50c9 std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 3839577

5 libsystem_c.dylib 0x9386d59b _sigtramp + 43

6 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97313805 CFStringCreateMutableCopy + 21

7 com.apple.musicaudiodataservices 0x00ed1385 _MADSCopyFileSystemPhysicalAgentItemList(__CFString const*, __CFString const*, unsigned int, __CFString const*, __CFArray const*, __CFArray const*, __MADSManager*, unsigned char, __CFArray**) + 293

8 com.apple.musicaudiodataservices 0x00ed1bfb _MADSManagerTerminateBackupCopyWithAppropriateFate + 1643

9 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9926c061 implementation_callback_rpc + 1876

10 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9926b879 _Xcallback_rpc + 487

11 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9926b687 FSEventsD2F_server + 155

12 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9926b5e4 FSEventsClientProcessMessageCallback + 30

13 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x972f9faa __CFMachPortPerform + 346

14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x972f9e31 __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_SOURCE1_PERFORM_FUNCTION__ + 49

15 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x972f9a5b __CFRunLoopDoSource1 + 155

16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x973330a1 __CFRunLoopRun + 2193

17 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9733247c CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 332

18 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97332328 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 120

19 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x97dae17f RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 318

20 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x97db54e7 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 381

21 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x97db5356 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 88

22 com.apple.AppKit 0x92570a9c _DPSNextEvent + 678

23 com.apple.AppKit 0x92570306 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 113

24 com.apple.logic.pro 0x006e5da0 std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6988592

25 com.apple.logic.pro 0x006f0e3f std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 7033807

26 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97391de1 -[NSObject performSelector:withObject:] + 65

27 com.apple.AppKit 0x9267c113 -[NSApplication sendAction:to:from:] + 232

28 com.apple.prokit 0x00fa56ca -[NSProApplication sendAction:to:from:] + 118

29 com.apple.logic.pro 0x005f72fa std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6011018

30 com.apple.AppKit 0x9267bff0 -[NSControl sendAction:to:] + 102

31 com.apple.music.apps.MACore 0x012c6f56 SwapData + 19990

32 com.apple.music.apps.MACore 0x012c96d8 SwapData + 30104

33 com.apple.music.apps.MACore 0x012c98bf SwapData + 30591

34 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97391de1 -[NSObject performSelector:withObject:] + 65

35 com.apple.AppKit 0x9267c113 -[NSApplication sendAction:to:from:] + 232

36 com.apple.prokit 0x00fa56ca -[NSProApplication sendAction:to:from:] + 118

37 com.apple.logic.pro 0x005f72fa std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6011018

38 com.apple.AppKit 0x92a3e7cb -[NSMatrix sendAction:to:] + 148

39 com.apple.AppKit 0x9267bef3 -[NSCell _sendActionFrom:] + 160

40 com.apple.AppKit 0x9267b2b0 -[NSCell trackMouse:inRect:ofView:untilMouseUp:] + 2295

41 com.apple.AppKit 0x92a40da5 -[NSMatrix _mouseDownNonListmode:] + 3189

42 com.apple.AppKit 0x92a3b484 -[NSMatrix mouseDown:] + 362

43 com.apple.AppKit 0x92642ca5 -[NSWindow sendEvent:] + 7533

44 com.apple.prokit 0x00fca5d4 -[NSProWindow sendEvent:] + 257

45 com.apple.logic.pro 0x007c71f3 std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 7911299

46 com.apple.AppKit 0x925db0e7 -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 4788

47 com.apple.prokit 0x00fa3348 -[NSProApplication sendEvent:] + 2043

48 com.apple.logic.pro 0x0061312d std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6125245

49 com.apple.logic.pro 0x00617dc1 std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6144849

50 com.apple.logic.pro 0x0061315f std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 6125295

51 com.apple.AppKit 0x9256c6d5 -[NSApplication run] + 1007

52 com.apple.prokit 0x00fa5b58 NSProApplicationMain + 439

53 com.apple.logic.pro 0x0002b1c5 DummyConnection::DummyConnection() + 193

 

Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f290a kevent + 10

1 libdispatch.dylib 0x93ae4c58 _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 969

2 libdispatch.dylib 0x93ae36a7 _dispatch_mgr_thread + 53

 

Thread 2:: com.apple.NSURLConnectionLoader

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975efc22 mach_msg_trap + 10

1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975ef1f6 mach_msg + 70

2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97329c7a __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 170

3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97332da4 __CFRunLoopRun + 1428

4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9733247c CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 332

5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97332328 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 120

6 com.apple.Foundation 0x956650f8 +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionReallyInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 378

7 com.apple.Foundation 0x95658e59 -[NSThread main] + 45

8 com.apple.Foundation 0x95658e09 __NSThread__main__ + 1582

9 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

10 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 3:: com.apple.CFSocket.private

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f1b42 __select + 10

1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x97380ee5 __CFSocketManager + 1557

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 4:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f183e __psynch_cvwait + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93819e21 _pthread_cond_wait + 827

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x937ca42c pthread_cond_wait$UNIX2003 + 71

3 com.apple.music.apps.MAAudioEngine 0x02b1a899 MDFileIOThread_IsBusy + 3593

4 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

5 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 5:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975efc22 mach_msg_trap + 10

1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975ef1f6 mach_msg + 70

2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0135ffcb XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101

3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x01382f8b MIDIProcess::RunMIDIInThread() + 259

4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x01383912 MIDIProcess::MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 24

5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0136159f XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17

6 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x01360f69 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 123

7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 6:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f183e __psynch_cvwait + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93819e78 _pthread_cond_wait + 914

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93819f7b pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47

3 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a63ef TSWaitOnConditionTimedRelative + 178

4 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a6165 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 490

5 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a5f76 TSWaitOnSemaphoreRelative + 24

6 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9931b398 TimerThread + 292

7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 7:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f183e __psynch_cvwait + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93819e78 _pthread_cond_wait + 914

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93819f7b pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47

3 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a63ef TSWaitOnConditionTimedRelative + 178

4 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a6165 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 490

5 com.apple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x992a5f76 TSWaitOnSemaphoreRelative + 24

6 com.apple.QuickTimeComponents.component 0x9bdd2be6 0x9b7e6000 + 6212582

7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 8:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f202e __workq_kernreturn + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93817ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196fe start_wqthread + 30

 

Thread 9:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f202e __workq_kernreturn + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93817ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196fe start_wqthread + 30

 

Thread 10:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f202e __workq_kernreturn + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93817ccf _pthread_wqthread + 773

2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196fe start_wqthread + 30

 

Thread 11:

0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x975f1bb2 __semwait_signal + 10

1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x937ca7b9 nanosleep$UNIX2003 + 187

2 com.apple.Foundation 0x9569905f +[NSThread sleepForTimeInterval:] + 170

3 com.apple.logic.pro 0x00880d70 std::ostream& TraceOutContainer(std::ostream&, CEvs, char const*, int) + 8672000

4 com.apple.Foundation 0x95658e59 -[NSThread main] + 45

5 com.apple.Foundation 0x95658e09 __NSThread__main__ + 1582

6 libsystem_c.dylib 0x93815ed9 _pthread_start + 335

7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x938196de thread_start + 34

 

Thread 12:

 

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):

eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x00000000 ecx: 0xbfff902c edx: 0x975f19c6

edi: 0xac7ec2c0 esi: 0x00000006 ebp: 0xbfff9048 esp: 0xbfff902c

ss: 0x00000023 efl: 0x00000246 eip: 0x975f19c6 cs: 0x0000000b

ds: 0x00000023 es: 0x00000023 fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x0000000f

cr2: 0x05a08000

Logical CPU: 0

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(ok I lied, I have autotune I think but never been used in logic yet - could they still be causing a problem?).

 

First step: ditch autotune.

 

The only ting I did was moving a few instrument libs and sample data folders to my other disk, sym-linking those so that logic can access the files per normal. I was just thinking whatever this could be an issue, but I can't see how it would cause everything to work and load instrument and sample wise, but then crash after a while, seems unlikely.

 

Probably a bad move. Logic installs its instrument libraries and sample data folders to the root drive for a reason. Yes, you can sym-link EXS-24 instruments, but not samples. So for troubleshooting purposes, probably best to walk before you run and leave all Logic files where the installer put them.

 

Now, based on your crash report, it could be a memory problem too. So first things first... suggest you put everything back the way it was, ditch autotune, and then reboot your computer. Then launch Logic and see what happens.

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Turned out I was too much a hacker, after moving all files back to their respectful place (my god that was some serious work) everything now works as expected. I can't say I like this though, I have an SSD as main drive meaning I have to put everything I can on the secondary drive to not go out of space and this way I am stuck with 19 gigs of stuff on a 256gb drive where space is precious, not exactly a move by Apple that I appreciate much :/ Any suggestions on what CAN be moved or symlinked safely of the 19 gigs? Any part of it is a help!!
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...I am stuck with 19 gigs of stuff on a 256gb drive where space is precious, not exactly a move by Apple that I appreciate much :/ Any suggestions on what CAN be moved or symlinked safely of the 19 gigs? Any part of it is a help!!

 

Can't really answer that without knowing if you're of legal age or not...

 

;)

 

Until SSD drive capacities become large (and affordable) enough to support the requirements of music systems, the whole (low-capacity) SSD drive thing is kind of a gimmick for a computer. You'd probably be better off swapping it out for a 1T (or larger) internal drive.

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I'd have to disagree abit here. First the SSD is the difference between sometimes having to wait for the computer vs virtually never have to do so, and second I'd rather blame Apple for not being capable of letting the user selecting where to put a huge library ;)

 

I've symlinked alot of stuff to save space, it's always worked nicely, well final cut pro x gave me a hard time initially but I got it worked out, but I do agree, it's a pain in the ass HAVING to do something like this at all.

 

Still, I'd love some advice on WHAT of the content can be symlinked, if any at all? anyone?

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Still, I'd love some advice on WHAT of the content can be symlinked, if any at all? anyone?

 

The stuff that takes the most space (Loops) you can just move to a new location and then drag the folders onto the Loops Browser.

 

Next in line are the EXS Factory Samples and Utrabeat Samples (well, the UB samples don't take that much, really).

 

Those can be "symlinked" but aliases work just fine too.

 

J.

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Still, I'd love some advice on WHAT of the content can be symlinked, if any at all? anyone?

 

The stuff that takes the most space (Loops) you can just move to a new location and then drag the folders onto the Loops Browser.

 

Next in line are the EXS Factory Samples and Utrabeat Samples (well, the UB samples don't take that much, really).

 

Those can be "symlinked" but aliases work just fine too.

 

J.

 

Thank you! This helps, even if some stuff will still remain but every gb is of help really. Is there anything more, apart from this, that can safely be moved according to your knowledge?

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I took a chance and tried also symlinking garagebands sampler files where everything from the jampacks seems to be dumped, since it's loaded by the same plugin. It seems to work great leaving me with a quite neatly trimmed logic install where 90-95% of the data is kept on the larger disk. Great. Thanks for the help everyone! Hopefully logic will play nice now!
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Next in line are the EXS Factory Samples and Utrabeat Samples (well, the UB samples don't take that much, really).

 

Jordito,

 

Just double checking... I know for sure that EXS instruments can read from aliases, but are you sure about the samples?

 

I'd have to disagree abit here. First the SSD is the difference between sometimes having to wait for the computer vs virtually never have to do so, and second I'd rather blame Apple for not being capable of letting the user selecting where to put a huge library

 

Speed is one thing, but in the long run an internal HD with a capacity of 1/4 terabyte is a step backwards in the world of computing. For your consideration... if you tallied up the amount of time you're spending symlinking stuff to make room on that miniscule hard drive, and then compared it to how much time you'd spend waiting for programs to load from a normal HD, I think you'd come out ahead if you had the HD.

 

It's only a matter of time before SSD's gain the capacity (and approach the cost) of mechanical HD's, but right now they're just not quite there yet.

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Next in line are the EXS Factory Samples and Utrabeat Samples (well, the UB samples don't take that much, really).

 

Jordito,

 

Just double checking... I know for sure that EXS instruments can read from aliases, but are you sure about the samples?

 

Yes, I used to have it set up like that, until I decided to put things back on the system drive cause I had plenty of space anyway.

 

And by the way, what I moved was the samples, the instruments I left at their original place since they didn't take up too much space.

 

Never had any issues with that setup.

 

J.

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Ski:

 

You are right, from a logical stand point. From a human perspective though we find far more annoyance in the small things that happen often than the big things we do seldom or just once ;)

 

jordito: I did the same and it works fine, I also did the same now to the garageband samples which are read by the same sampler in logic and it works fine for all I can see. I also moved some garageband stuff with symlinks, including lessons and some "magic" stuff (no idea what it is). It's nice and neat anyway.

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You are right, from a logical stand point. From a human perspective though...

 

What am I, a robot? :?

 

Anyway, hopefully you've got a separate hard drive to store projects on, cuz for reasons of drive capacity alone your internal's not gonna cut it on its own. Keep in mind that your system needs to have plenty of free drive space for the OS (and other apps) to share (minimum recommended amount is 20 - 25% free space).

 

Good luck!

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Ski you know there are pretty advanced bots these days... :P

I have a secondary disk with 1tb, so it's more than enough, if I ever need more I'll just hook up an external, preferably some kind of firewire disk interface thing to not disturb the usb when used for audio.

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