Scott Jackson Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Didn't realize you were so concerned with politics Mr. Timbers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/obama-gay-pride-month_n_1600427.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Not me, I can assure you. Now I will have to change my avatar (I have been a bit lax about that lately. ) Scott Jackson, Looks like that Huffing post bit is about Obama and gay pride. I didn't realize you had such an interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eriksimon Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) [...] Edited June 16, 2012 by Eriksimon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Scott Jackson, Looks like that Huffing post bit is about Obama and gay pride. I didn't realize you had such an interest. I didn't realize that Obama had such an interest until I read the article. But let's face it, he's only interested in the votes....or is it something else? Maybe he's stepping out on Michelle when he's claiming to attend an "urgent" meeting in the oval orifice....ehem, I mean office, with his "advisors". The oval office after midnight. Emergency homeland security meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I thought Shiv only supported Republican homosexuals? We all should take an interest. I may be a white straight male, but I support any struggle for more freedom & rights for black and/or female and/or homoseksual humans, animals and plants. I too applaud Obama for being very clear on this issue.Please Americans, re-elect the man. He's the best thing ever to happen to post-WO-II USA/ the world. Please, he's just another head of the hydra. And as for post WWII leaders, what about Obama being the first US President to sanction the assassination of a US citizen, somehow getting away with completely ignoring the man's constitutional rights? What about all the "black site" prisons that continue to operate and hold kidnapped prisoners with zero regard for international law? What about all the innocent dead who happened to be too close to one of his drone assassinations in Yemen or Pakistan? He is not only continuing, but expanding upon the dubious use of a president's emergency powers in war that Bush Jnr. began. Best thing my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 We all should take an interest. I may be a white straight male, but I support any struggle for more freedom & rights for black and/or female and/or homoseksual humans, animals and plants. Respect! That's all it is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Please, he's just another head of the hydra. Best thing my arse. The corporate monster. Edited June 16, 2012 by Scott Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Respect! That's all it is about. Can't argue with that. Right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The corporate monster. Just as Eisenhower warned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Bowie, Madonna, GaGa, Obama all jumped on the 'let's promote gayness' bandwagon in order to win over a fan base to help advance a personal queer ... I mean career. Like the religions promising you salvation and eternal life if you support and give money. It's all bullshit. When one person gets away with deciding for millions based on his/her personal feelings, then a system fails. The Law of the Jungle is what rules. Even if the weak find a way to overcome the strong, the same situation will eventually rise up and the vicious circle will continue. Rather than jump on a soapbox and preach about things, I will be content to write music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Um, promoting gayness? I don't think anyone has told us that we should be gay. I'm particularly impressed with the recent move in hip-hop to become more enlightened and grow up from often stone-age values. So, Shiv, you're not a fan of protest songs then? Is Bob Dillon too preachy? Personally, I think that politics and current affairs are fair game for musicians, in true time-honoured troubadour and bardic tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Um, promoting gayness? I don't think anyone has told us that we should be gay. I'm particularly impressed with the recent move in hip-hop to become more enlightened and grow up from often stone-age values. So, Shiv, you're not a fan of protest songs then? Is Bob Dillon too preachy? Personally, I think that politics and current affairs are fair game for musicians, in true time-honoured troubadour and bardic tradition. I didn't mean to offend you if you are gay. No one is telling you to be gay. If you like being gay, then enjoy it. What I meant was that the artists I mentioned promoted the attitude of "We love gay people, so now give me your money!" Protest songs? Bob Dillion? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36741933/ns/today-entertainment/t/mitchell-dylans-fake/#.T9yxiRy5Pvk Many 'time honored traditions' make absolutely no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I didn't mean to offend you if you are gay. No one is telling you to be gay. If you like being gay, then enjoy it. I'm thinking of becoming gay, you know, for the environment. What I meant was that the artists I mentioned promoted the attitude of "We love gay people, so now give me your money!" Protest songs? Bob Dillion? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36741933/ns/today-entertainment/t/mitchell-dylans-fake/#.T9yxiRy5Pvk Many 'time honored traditions' make absolutely no sense to me. Well, I never liked Dillon that much to be honest, Joni Mitchell is way cooler. I wouldn't be suprised if he was just another egocentric fake, like Lennon. Stardom seems to attract those kinds of people. I think you're right to a large extent, unfortunately. It probably is a marketing excersice for a lot of these people. Sad thing is, we won't know when someone is genuinely standing up for people's rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Obama is supporting gays now because he knows that the polls support this position. The majority is on his side and that's always a good time for a politico to make their move. The fact that public opinion tipped the balance is at least as relevant as the fact that he said what he said. I think this is a move that he wanted to make and so his speech came across as very sincere, not grandstanding, which doesn't hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'm thinking of becoming gay, you know, for the environment. LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Moth Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I suspect he was talking about Bob Dysexlia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I suspect he was talking about Bob Dysexlia. You and your pedantry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I didn't mean to offend you if you are gay. No one is telling you to be gay. If you like being gay, then enjoy it. I'm thinking of becoming gay, you know, for the environment. The Environment? Don't tell Ski or Fader8. Next thing you know you will be getting invited to one of their all night parties. There will be singing, dancing, fighting and f %#king. The only problem with that is it will only be the three of you. What I meant was that the artists I mentioned promoted the attitude of "We love gay people, so now give me your money!" Protest songs? Bob Dillion? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36741933/ns/today-entertainment/t/mitchell-dylans-fake/#.T9yxiRy5Pvk Many 'time honored traditions' make absolutely no sense to me. Well, I never liked Dillon that much to be honest, Joni Mitchell is way cooler. I wouldn't be suprised if he was just another egocentric fake, like Lennon. Stardom seems to attract those kinds of people. I think you're right to a large extent, unfortunately. It probably is a marketing excersice for a lot of these people. Sad thing is, we won't know when someone is genuinely standing up for people's rights. Is it their rights or their wants? I mean, look at all the Zombie movies or something like 'The Invasion Of The Body Snatchers.' Eventually the world is taken over by what is to considered to be evil. If you were the last one standing, would you fight or give in? I guess you already answered that. But all seriousness aside, gayness and perversion have been around forever. Most non-gay people hated it as did some of the farm animals. Nowadays, it's gone far beyond all the bad things and the fight is about getting insurance for your partner. Anything, good or bad, that costs the government money will eventually be taken away from the public. No matter what we do as the 'public,' the government will find a way to relieve us of any money we try to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The Environment? Don't tell Ski or Fader8. Next thing you know you will be getting invited to one of their all night parties. There will be singing, dancing, fighting and f %#king. The only problem with that is it will only be the three of you. Telephone Transcript, June 16th, 2012, 11:52 AM PST Ski: Hey, Fader8, how's it going? F8: Pretty good. Ski: Got a second? F8: Sure. Ski: Just a little FYI that shivermetimbers "outed" us on the forum. F8: What a douche. Ski: Yeah, he also said that Madonna, Bowie, and Lady GaGa are just pretending to like gay people so they can sell more records F8: What a douche. Ski: Yeah, he also implied that stardom is something that people are attracted to, as opposed to, you know, that some people actually have real star quality and the drive to become a great entertainer or artist, you know? F8: What a douche. Ski: Funny, I thought you might elaborate a bit more instead of just saying "what a douche" over and over again. F8: Nah, what more is there to say? Not telling you anything you don't already know. Ski: Y'know, you're right. (Together): "What a douche". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 ROTFLMAO!!! I KNEW!!!!!! I repeat ... I Knew if the Environment was mentioned that Ski would show up. (wipes tears from eyes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 But all seriousness aside, gayness and perversion have been around forever. Most non-gay people hated it as did some of the farm animals. I don't think that's true, look at early civilisations like the Athenians, Spartans and Romans (from which not only do we get a huge deal of intellectual advancement thanks to Arabs preserving their knowledge while Christians burnt libraries full of the stuff, but also the American political system and public architecture also derive huge inspiration from them), same sex relationships had no social taboo in those cultures. The black-and-white sexual "morals" of the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are a more recent development in humanity's history, and we have no way of knowing what sexual attitudes were like before written history. Even the word "perverse" in a sexual context is a product of those stuffy Victorians. Us primates are a randy bunch, and homosexual activity is not just the prerserve of homo sapiens. I understand if you follow a holy book, you have to repeat what the book tells you, but for anyone else, I can't imagine a valid argument for not letting any relationship have the same standing in law (animal cruelty laws withstanding). No matter what we do as the 'public,' the government will find a way to relieve us of any money we try to make. Of course, it's their job to screw us over. Oh, and for the record, I'd totally fight the zombies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah, he also implied that stardom is something that people are attracted to, as opposed to, you know, that some people actually have real star quality and the drive to become a great entertainer or artist, you know? C'mon, if we can't be bitter toward those more successful than us, who can we be bitter about? ...oh yeah; those gays always wanting "rights" and getting pop stars to pretend to not hate them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 Rather than jump on a soapbox and preach about things, I will be content to write music. Isn't that your soapbox? I know that it is one of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainstick Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Being cynical's pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Being cynical's pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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