SLIMPYJAMAS Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Greetings everyone... hope u are all good. This is my first post and its a dumb one... but please be gentle Before I go further I just want to say that this is an appeal post. I hoped someone might be able to help me with an environment to simulate the scale midi plugin which comes with Ableton Live. I have a rudimentary understanding of midi but not enough to suss this out... it's driving me mad. I am trying to build the environment outlined in soundonsound March 2005 and I am hoping someone can help. I imagine it would be a 5 minute job for an expert user but for an environment shy person like myself it is a hopeless cause. I have tried to follow the instructions they have outlined to build a scale input limiting macro library but it has only ended in frustration. I think I have the modules right but I can't follow the wiring instructions given in the article. I have attached my most recent attempt in an image file. Can anyone advise me how to correct it? (I know I might have made some REALLY stupid errors so apologies in advance...) Here is the article with instructions on creating the environment macro, which are really just the middle section of the article... http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/articles/logicnotes.htm I am hoping to use this to build a feature similar to Melodyne's Scale snap or Abletons Scale midi plugin. I have read around google and noticed other people who are looking for something similar. I basically need the midi input data to snap bum notes to adjacent notes which cohere to a user defined scale. Hoping to find a solution that I'll be able to use when inputting from the midi keyboard but also which responds to played back midi regions. I need something which allows you to map scales across the entire keyspan quickly on the fly for a given project... or else something which is easy to work with to build a library. If I can't quickly step input a scale I hoped to map all the modes of the major scale as well as exotic cultural world scales (i.e. arabic ragas, japanese scales, chinese, jewish, hungarian minor etc etc). Oh ... and I hoped for a device which could transpose easily and which could be bypassed/turned on or off. In short I am basically looking for Ableton's scale plugin verbatim. However I know this does't exist and I really hope Logic's next major release implements this feature... which, I imagine, would be easy to code for a professional programmer. Now I realize this has been addressed before to some extent. Many thanks to Jordito for his scale remapper, and fuzzfilth for his scalic modulator which I have enjoyed playing with. These environments are great within their own right but they are not as hands on as I have described above, they still require a bit of theory to get the best out of them, and they don't feature as comprehensive a scale library as I hoped. I am also aware that Logics global scale type can be changed in the score tab under Logic's General Preferences. However, this only applies to Logics default instruments and it deviates Logics tuning from the Western tempered scale without representing things in a workable way within the piano roll editor. I'd love to find something more visual that would allow me to research a scale, map it in a visually referable way, play and record it and play it back with editing capabilities before transposing it and then turning it off. Anyone familiar with the 'Play Versions' of EastWest's ethnic libraries (RA, Gypsy, Silk) might have an idea of the sort of thing I am looking for... I realise I should really work on my keyboard skills and scale theory and I'm hoping to avoid suggestions along these lines. I understand that my intended approach would not be an instant fix to musical ingenuity and nor do I believe it to be a shortcut to great song writing or a substitute to musical study. Whilst it might seem like a cop out I do require something that will help me access certain musical territories in an inspiring and gratifying way so that I could quickly realise new sound scapes and develop them instinctively... and also refer the ideologies back to my guitar/bass in a non interrupted way... The reason I need something flexible, intuitive and visual is for media music work which will involve delivering a fully composed, mixed and mastered soundscape every day. It's a quota pressured environment and I'll have to do a spectrum of stuff without time to work things out, research them, look them up and craft out a sound lovingly ... I might have to do a space odyssey one day, a string and brass thing the next day, a blue jazz lounge the next, then an oriental dynasty, a reggae skank and an Arabic epic etc etc. You can imagine it'll be a challenge for someone like myself with very basic keyboard skills who is more at home producing Indie/pop/funk/hip hop/reggae/rock/electronic stuff. I need help to get into understanding how different modes fit over different chord cadences to develop more colorful harmonic templates rather than rely on simpler diatonic song writing and pentatonic scales which, effective though they might be, can't cope with the scope I will have to deliver. I have been trying to source something for a while and unless a user knows of an environment or a macro of some kind I don't think there is anything in the public domain. I am sure many users would benefit from any resources or insight this community might share. if anyone is aware of anything... or has a suggestion of an alternative work around, I would be very thankful if you could offer some help. Apologies for the essay and for being a noob. I just wanted to define the problem as clearly as possible. A huge thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help with the environment macros from the soundonsound article or just offer advice on any other options I might not know of. Many ... many ... many thanks. Yours in hope... S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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