nealwoollard Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I need to bounce m4a files with click in the the left and loop in the right. I can't keep the click from bleeding into the right signal. I played it from logic from different output sources (straight/firewire, etc). I've bounced it and played the m4a from different sources. I've tried playing the click in mono and stereo forms, using the pan and balance control accordingly. I've tried to use the direction mixer on the channel. Whatever I've tried hasn't worked. It seems like such a basic function that I know I have to be missing something. I've viewed different threads dealing with hard panning and haven't actually seen a solution yet. I very well could have looked over something. What am I missing? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Have you tried bouncing to AIF or WAV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealwoollard Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Thank you for your quick reply. I have bounced it as an AIF and WAV. Sounds the same as when I listen to the project through Logic Pro. Right now, I'm running out through a firewire Presonus unit. The soonest I will be able to check this will be later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Your left panned click track CANNOT be allowed to pass thru any common plug in like a reverb. It has to be panned hard left and go directly to the output. Also, check the presonus software mixer to be sure the panning is set properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealwoollard Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 I don't have it running through any plug-ins. I just double checked the Presonus mixer and there isn't anything funky there. Also, I just bypassed that and plugged straight into my iMac again and there's still bleed over. I use Ultrabeat to generate my click and Stylus RMX/Apple instruments to generate my loop sounds. I have bounced each (click ad loop) individually and then dropped them into new projects to make sure I didn't accidentally have a weird setting going on there, too. Keep trying me. I'm sure I have missed something. Thanks again for the quick reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Can you clarify this for me? Without bouncing, when you open a Logic project and pan a click hard left, and a loop hard right, you can still hear the click from the right channel? How are you detecting it: with speakers? Headphones? Plugged into the Presonus or the built-in, in both cases you can hear the bleeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealwoollard Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 I have molded in ears and reference monitors. I plug in my in-ears to the presonus and the the direct output and hear the bleed through both. Obviously, the in-ears are much more sensitive, but I can still hear it a bit out of the reference monitor too (which is through the Presonus). I would guess 5% of the volume is bleeding through (not an exact amount, just a guess.) it's very faint, but loud enough for my FOH guy to hear it in the right channel through the mains (the bounced file). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Can you attach your Logic project file, the one with the click panned right and the loop panned left, to this thread? I'll look at it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealwoollard Posted September 4, 2012 Author Share Posted September 4, 2012 Thank you for taking a look. I made a new project and dropped in 2 aif files to make it as simple as possible. Logic Pan Test.logic.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Everything looks good in Logic. Ran some test with a test oscillator and there is zero crosstalk. If you solo one of the two channels and bounce an AIFF or WAV and look at it in the sample editor, you should see a waveform on only that channel and silence on the other. It's possible you may be getting crosstalk from the analog circuitry of your audio interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealwoollard Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 David. Thank you for taking a look. I'm going to play around with it a bit more. If I'm still having trouble, I'll re-post on here. Everything you're saying makes sense. Not sure what to do about it now...Will play aroundand see if I can get it! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 hi all . im having the same issue . in the logic song all good but when i bounce down there's bleed . i want mono backing track right and click left . It must be a bounce issue , in split stereo no problem , but interleaved or anything itunes actually play has the same bleed , as anyone sorted this one ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 hi all . im having the same issue . in the logic song all good but when i bounce down there's bleed . i want mono backing track right and click left . It must be a bounce issue , in split stereo no problem , but interleaved or anything itunes actually play has the same bleed , as anyone sorted this one ? Thanks Hello ruu and welcome to Logic Pro Help. Please add your Logic version and system info to your signature: Forum Rules - please READ THIS before posting (#5) Then if you want, attach your project to this thread so I can test a bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 thanks David.so would interleaved bouncing not affect panning at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 No, absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 would interleaved bouncing not affect panning at all? No, it would not affect anything at all, what you bounce is what you hear, and if you hard pan something left then it will be bounced hard left and there will be none of its signal in the right channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 right ! as i would hope ! let me remove the interface and swap projects etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 yup still got bleed through core audio ..... logic plays all is perfect .. bounce and hello bleed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Something must be wrong in your audio routing. if you want, attach your project to this thread so I can test a bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Thankyou so much David... i left the click track in only which i need to only be on either the left or the right when bounced ! ruu project-wierd.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I tried to bounce your project and as expected, the bounced file had silence on one side, your audio on the other. Can you show me a screenshot of your bounced file? Also, Please add your Logic version and system info to your signature: Forum Rules - please READ THIS before posting (#5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
involver Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 What are you playing the bounced file with? If it is iTunes make sure the Sound Enhancer is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Yes i think i found it ! nothing to do with Logic but a preference in itunes called 'sound enhancement' thankyou very much . *TO PRESERVE EXACT PANNING IN ITUNES TURN OFF SOUND ENHANCEMENT PREFERENCES PANEL!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruu Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 exactly involver ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Great. Good to hear you ended up making it work. Thanks involver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweezleton Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 David - I am having a similar issue! I am running a click to my left and an audio track to the right (both hard panned) and I'm getting bleed. I am using in ear monitors plugged directly into my macbook and NO plug ins/reverbs/effects. I tried the directional mixer to no avail and even tried a different pair of headphones to see if there could be an issue there! Your help would be more than appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudds90 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Why do so many people have this problem?!?! I have just tried to make some back tracks for the first time in logic and I have bleed. Didn't do this in Ableton Live. I have searched and searched in forums and no one knows how to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Why do so many people have this problem? For various reasons, none of them being related to Logic. Some being discussed in this very thread. have just tried to make some back tracks for the first time in logic and I have bleed. Didn't do this in Ableton Live. I have searched and searched in forums and no one knows how to fix it. With all due respect I just helped nealwoollard and ruu fix their issues in this very thread. The bleed often occurs in analog hardware and not with digital software (where it's not a challenge at all to avoid). An exception is lossy compression formats. Can you add your system info to your signature: Forum Rules - please READ THIS before posting (#5) - then describe how you're recording, monitoring and experiencing the bleed. We'll help you troubleshoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 David - I am having a similar issue! I am running a click to my left and an audio track to the right (both hard panned) and I'm getting bleed. I am using in ear monitors plugged directly into my macbook and NO plug ins/reverbs/effects. I tried the directional mixer to no avail and even tried a different pair of headphones to see if there could be an issue there! Your help would be more than appreciated! Chances are the bleed occurs in your audio interface. Have you tried bouncing the output of Logic and looking at the waveform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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