tristancalvaire Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Would it be a fair assessment to say that this is a glorified compressor preset of which you can only adjust two parameters of, available for $119 ($59.50 at the moment)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo12ax7 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Pretty much, although I'm sure its got its own unique process behind the scenes. I think with a lot of gear it depends on what you like and what you're inclined to reach for in a situation; even if you can get the same sounds out of a compressor, sometimes you don't want to have to deal with a particular interface to get there. Its a good chunk of change to spend on a UI, but for some people it might be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Would it be a fair assessment to say that this is a glorified compressor preset of which you can only adjust two parameters of No. It's a transient shaper, or transient processor. Logic has one of these: the Enveloper plug-in. Here's an article on the subject: What’s wrong with transient shapers? J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rone2him Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Flux:: has a free transient tool: BitterSweet Transient Designer with lots of flexibility... check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristancalvaire Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Would it be a fair assessment to say that this is a glorified compressor preset of which you can only adjust two parameters of No. It's a transient shaper, or transient processor. Logic has one of these: the Enveloper plug-in. Here's an article on the subject: What’s wrong with transient shapers? J. So it's Enveloper where you can only adjust two parameters. Even the freebie Bittersweet rone2him linked offers more control, for $60-120 cheaper. I've used it on occasion and loved the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 So it's Enveloper where you can only adjust two parameters. Even the freebie Bittersweet rone2him linked offers more control, for $60-120 cheaper. I've used it on occasion and loved the results. It has more controls than the SPL hardware unit it emulates, and is cheaper than the UA version. More controls does not mean better processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So it's Enveloper where you can only adjust two parameters. Even the freebie Bittersweet rone2him linked offers more control, for $60-120 cheaper. I've used it on occasion and loved the results. It has more controls than the SPL hardware unit it emulates, and is cheaper than the UA version. More controls does not mean better processing. Yeah, judging by the sounds coming out of the NI vid, the shaping it can do is a lot more dramatic than what you can get out of Bittersweet, which I've used (and liked) several times. EDIT: Actually, I take that back. Bittersweet is dramatic but it only has one set of controls for the transient shaping where the NI version has one each for attack and decay. So the NI version is more flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The annoying thing for me is that I've got a nice sounding sonalksis transient plug in superior drummer, but I can only use it in SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristancalvaire Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 Wait, wait. You're telling me that this is emulating a $1400 rack unit whose sole purpose is transient envelope shaping? What is it about the SPL unit that makes it worthy of a four-digit price? It seems like cheating, to simply manipulate an attack and sustain knob and somehow take a drum from fat thwack to a relaxed body-heavy sound. Would someone be so kind as to explain to me, a mere plebian with enough ego to think his laptop and cheap digital plug-ins will somehow produce good sounding results, what's so magical about a transient shaper? Is it really a magic sauce you can toss a sound in and somehow get the exact dynamics, thin and sharp versus sweet and woody, by manipulating a mere two knobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlogic Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Is it really a magic sauce you can toss a sound in and somehow get the exact dynamics, thin and sharp versus sweet and woody, by manipulating a mere two knobs? You did watch the video, right? I'm sure it'll be source and context dependent. Sometimes it might work great...other times not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
route-electrique Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Komplete Owners got this free . Yei!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Wait, wait. You're telling me that this is emulating a $1400 rack unit whose sole purpose is transient envelope shaping? What is it about the SPL unit that makes it worthy of a four-digit price? It seems like cheating, to simply manipulate an attack and sustain knob and somehow take a drum from fat thwack to a relaxed body-heavy sound. Would someone be so kind as to explain to me, a mere plebian with enough ego to think his laptop and cheap digital plug-ins will somehow produce good sounding results, what's so magical about a transient shaper? Is it really a magic sauce you can toss a sound in and somehow get the exact dynamics, thin and sharp versus sweet and woody, by manipulating a mere two knobs? The link jordi gave explained it pretty well; on occasion you want to alter the transient envelope without compressing or expanding the material. It will be an occasional thing, when standard tools don't quite do it, but there are studios that spend far more on far less useful gear. More detailed info: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct98/articles/spltransient.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedivisionbell Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 A quick question: are transient designers used on individual instruments, busses or in mastering chains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 A quick question: are transient designers used on individual instruments, busses or in mastering chains? Usually instruments, occasionally busses AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmastawoods Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I have both the Flux and the Sonnox versions of TSs. The Flux Bittersweet is much more subtle, but it can still do the trick sometimes. One trick I've done is to lower all the transients on a drum bus and it sounds like a room mic. Try it, it's pretty cool! Different from compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainstick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 i've got komplete - but where is the transient master? i can't seem to find it on plug in list.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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