Ket Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 HI, Hope you guys can help. Can someone please shed some light on how to programme midi drums / glitches to have this feel of slowing down. it sounds like a quantise setting / trick or something (not using an LFO) An example of what I'm trying to achieve: http://ochre.bandcamp.com/album/early-learning • Specifically: track 2 – Advanced Tree Surgery • Time: 00.55-00.59 and again around 1.25–1.30 ish (and a repeats throughout) This is definitely intended beat programming as oppose to using anything like livecuts or other randomising glitchy plugins It's the kind of skipping feel and slowing down of the beat (in this case i think it's triplets) and i can't imagine that he used a global tempo change as that would affect the whole track. Questions: • other than manually adjusting each beat by hand in the midi editor (which i wouldn't know how to programme), is there a quantise trick here? • Anyone point me in the right direction of any tutorials on this kind of programming? Thanks again, in advance, for your help and time. Ket Heres a link to my new project. http://www.WeFoundSound.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 HI,This is definitely intended beat programming yes, and normally such intricate editing/programming has to be done by hand there are programs like 'stutter edit' that allow less random glitching results by giving the user more control of different parameters for the various processes, but i still think this is penned by hand this isn't a function of tempo imo...it's not a loop being slowed but a manipulation of timing, phrasing and positioning check out these trifonic vids for ideas : specifically near the end of vid 1 http://nextstepaudio.com/drums/trifonic-editing-beats-part-1/ http://nextstepaudio.com/drums/trifonic-editing-beats-part-2/ also, might be worth contacting the artist...he might not be open to revealing his chops, but he might be able to tell you what he didn't do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 In the second track, 32ths are constantly present in percussions, but in parts that were mentioned, triplet 16ths are used instead. They're slower and might give you an impression of slowing down. If the tempo is double the speed I recognized, we're talking about 16ths and triplet 8ths, of course. Just quantize some parts of your drum tracks to slower triplets and see if you get what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ket Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi El Bo and Twister, Thanks for taking the time to reply, I'll definitely check out the Trifonic videos, i'm sure i've seen him on the Pyramind online site too. (great producer) and you've got a good point of contacting the guy directly, he might be open to give me some advice Twister, thanks for your tip, I'll have to get my head around what you've written, in terms of quantising, "Quote: we're talking about 16ths and triplet 8ths" - the quantize menu doesn't say "triplet 8ths" so what's the equivalent in the drop-down list? (excuse my ignorance) Cheers ket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twister Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Twister, thanks for your tip, I'll have to get my head around what you've written, in terms of quantising,"Quote: we're talking about 16ths and triplet 8ths" - the quantize menu doesn't say "triplet 8ths" so what's the equivalent in the drop-down list? (excuse my ignorance) Oh I forgot that they're shown as denominators in Logic. Triplet 8ths would be 12ths, triplet 16ths = 24ths and so forth. Triplet is just a note that's one third shorter in length. I apologize for any misspelling, English is not my native language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ket Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Man, thanks for clearing that up much appreciated. Ket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ket Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Hi Guys, Found this in the Logic Pro Manual, for those who would also like to know what the units in the quantise menu actually equate too. Cheers Ket http://help.apple.com/logicpro/mac/9.1.6/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=21%26section=2%26tasks=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 good stuff...while i see where you are going with the quantisation thing, i still don;t think it will give you what you need....though it will give you a good template for triplets etc, you'll still need to manually offset the hits to create the 'slowing' effect...if not, you'll jut have perfectly timed triplets...not a problem in itself but not what you are after yes, brian trifon seems to be involved with pyramind, even if only as a guest.....one of the later vids on the blog that i linked ha something to do with them definitely watch the videos...i ended up watching them again just to confirm he does go over the stuff you are after...you'll learn more also, especially by checking out the rest of the blog entries one of the things that's really great about him is he all about 'logic'...his albums, along with his stuff with 'BT' use a lot of 'sculpture' for example...and his latest album can be had with all the stems plus ome of his custom exs multisamples... great video about pads also have fun, and let us know how you get on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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