georgerarnold Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Hi, I know there are many topics about this but I just can't seem to solve my problem, I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to set up ghost compression by sending to an aux track but it just sounds out of phase. Now I guess there's something going on with the PDC but I can't figure out how to fix it. I've got the plug-in delay compensation set to 'ALL' so from what I understand there shouldn't be a problem. Am I missing something stupid? It's been like this for a long time but I've never let it bother me but this time I really want the ghost compression sound. I'm using quite heavy plug-ins: On the track itself PSP micro warmer and Waves NLS channel and on the Auxiliary track waves kramer PIE, both of which are routed to out 1-2. I'm wondering if it's the plug-ins themselves that are miss-behaving? Even if I mute Kramer PIE on the aux track it still sounds like a phaser. I'm using Logic 8, if it makes any odds. Thank you for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncer Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 i had delay on send channels until i set buffer to 128.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Woah. Not sure my computer's gunna take that! I'll give it a go. Thanks for the reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 i had delay on send channels until i set buffer to 128.... It sounds exactly the same at 128. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncer Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 what happens if u bypass all the plugins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 If I bypass the plug-ins on both the track and the aux send the delay is still there. I have lots of plug-ins on the song so instead of muting them all, to save time I moved the audio region to a new project (without any plug-ins) and tried sending it and there was no delay. I really wonder what's causing this. It's concerning because I always have reverb on an aux send. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TequilaKez Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Welcome to my world Makes things like NY compression and mixing some distorted signal with the origional impossible. I have come to praise all plugins with a wet/dry control! Thing is, for me it seems to happen at random, and even a project that was not phasing at first will suddenly start having this issue upon loading it again later, seems to be no real pattern behind it. Because of the random nature and the fact that it can change makes me think it could have something to do with PDC and how logic distributes plugin's over multiple cores as it appears logic does this on the fly and may not distribute things the same way when you load the project next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncer Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 it happened to me as well when i was using 3rd party compressor for parallel compression... never before had that problem but in one project it was phasing very bad.... i replaced it with Logic's compressor and then it was fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 Really? Nothing I can do about it? Crazy. I feel a switch to pro tools coming on. . . . . Thanks for your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 I'm surprised none of the admins have anything to say about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I've been waiting for someone to answer this too, it sounds odd. It's not a problem I've ever encountered, and wonder if it might be a plug-in reporting the wrong PDC amount. Are you using non-linear phase EQ on a parallel channel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 A lot have changed on the PDC department since Logic 8. Do you have very complicated routing in your project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Mixer screenshot would be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Do you have very complicated routing in your project? +1. I managed to get a phasey sound by bussing an apple loop and its copy like this: I got them to null with the help of the free Airwindows sample delay plug-in set to -5.79 ms (the project at 44.1 kHz). If you're getting this phaseyness when setting up simple parallel processing, I think it must be related to the 3rd party plug-ins you're using and how they report they latency to Logic. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I managed to get a phasey sound by bussing an apple loop and its copy like this: Strange! I can not confirm this at all. It nulls perfectly here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I managed to get a phasey sound by bussing an apple loop and its copy like this: Strange! I can not confirm this at all. It nulls perfectly here. Really? Why is this happening to me!!??? What have I done to deserve this? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Really? Why is this happening to me!!??? What have I done to deserve this? J. Here's my version of your routing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Really? Why is this happening to me!!??? What have I done to deserve this? J. Here's my version of your routing: I recreated your version here and guess what? It nulls! WTF? What's different in my first test?...hmmm http://statics.soniccdn.com/images/smilies/eusa_think.gif J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 There's no complicated routing. I've a fair few sends but nothing crazy. I think it's probably something to do with a plug in I'm using on the song but I don't know where to begin to figure out which one and then fix it. If someone can explain how to show my screen shot up on here I'll show you. Pro tools 10 does look amazing. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 If someone can explain how to show my screen shot up on here Press Command-Shift-4 and drag around the area you want to capture. Then at the bottom of your post box on our forum, click "Upload attachment" and locate the screenshot file that is on your desktop, and upload it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I use parallel compression all the time on many tracks. Never had a problem. It must be a single plugin problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlogic Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 ...to save time I moved the audio region to a new project (without any plug-ins) and tried sending it and there was no delay. That's promising! Try recreating the setup - adding one plug-in at a time - until you find the culprit. What version of Logic 8? 8.0.2 was the last and most stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 I use parallel compression all the time on many tracks. Never had a problem.It must be a single plugin problem. Good for you, I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 I've made a new discovery. It's a little difficult to explain clearly but: The track I wanted the ghost compression on is an overhead mic which I've got routed to the drum group (bus 5), when I send to the ghost compressor (bus 7) it's all phasey. If I route the overhead track to out 1-2 it's all good. I wouldn't call this complicated routing by any means, would you? Surely if it works fine one way and not the other it's a problem with logic and not the plug-ins? At least I've got some kind of work around until I can afford pro tools. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerarnold Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 Not sure if this is clear either: Aux 7 is the compressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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