xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Somehow my Klopfgeist default sound click metronome is broken. If I change the klop preset it works, but on the default it plays only one beat of the 4. I tried restoring the Klop folder in application support from time machine, but didn't help. Is there some way to restore this without reinstalling Logic 9? Thanks. Also how do I save globally, a new instrument for the click? I changed it in the environment window, but when I go to start a new project, it reverts to the broken klop. Lastly, when your are in the middle of a track and you hit record. Is there some way to have the click start only 4 beats back instead of 8 beats back? If I am at #20 on the position bar for instance and hit record, I get sent back to 18 for 4 clicks and then have to wait another 4 to get back to #20. I guess that is so you have time to react, but if I didn't want that is there a way to change it? Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Is that true of any project, for example if you start a brand new "Empty project" template, just create one empty track and try to use the click, same thing? Or is the issue isolated to a single project? Also how do I save globally, a new instrument for the click? I changed it in the environment window, but when I go to start a new project, it reverts to the broken klop. You can't save how instruments and their settings appear in a project globally, it's part of each project, so you can save whatever you want in a template (which is a project file) then start new projects from that template. Lastly, when your are in the middle of a track and you hit record. Is there some way to have the click start only 4 beats back instead of 8 beats back? Yes, under Settings > Recording, adjust your count-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Something is messed up. 1 bar gives me 3 click and one is missing although if only during count in is unchecked, it clicks normally thereafter. Even on a non klop instrument this happens. Not sure how to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Old projects work fine. Just any new project or even saved template is messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Any new project ... even started from the "Empty Project" factory template? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Yes, weird. Is there some way to save a the Logic default for any new project, a new click track instrument other than klop? I can't seem to figure out how to make it a system wide default. Frankly, I think Klop is the problem. I wish I could repair it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Open Settings > Metronome and adjust your settings like on the window below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 That is exactly how it is set. I think it is my EXS24 Instruments and Lopfgeist. All the other instruments if used for the click work right. If I open the click channel strip and change it to EXS24 and select any instrument I get the same missing 2 or 3 beats of the metronome when set to click on count in only. I know it's weird but that is what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 I pulled an older plist file from time machine (again) and did a permissions repair and now it is working right again. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 You're welcome! Glad to hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 It's back broken again. I'm out of ideas for this weird problem. The plist fix this time didn't work. May have to uninstall and start over again from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 Can someone tell me how to PERMANENTLY replace the KlopFgeist click with something else and save it as "Default": for all projects? I know how to change KlopfGeist, but how can I replace it as the default click sound system wide and make it stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 bump for the last question one post up, if anyone knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Can someone tell me how to PERMANENTLY replace the KlopFgeist click with something else and save it as "Default": for all projects? I know how to change KlopfGeist, but how can I replace it as the default click sound system wide and make it stick? You can't. You could just create a new track with any software instrument you'd like and stick a MIDI region with notes on bars and beats, looping for the duration of your song. Of course, you shouldn't have this problem with Klopfgeist in the first place, so I would recommend continuing troubleshooting that instead. I don't think it's even possible to "break" Klopfgeist, so my guess is it's a problem with the templates you use... What I would do: 1) Open Empty Project. 2) Check for proper Klopfgeist functioning. 3) Check Klopfgeist settings. 4) Check audio configuration of Klopfgeist in Mixer's "All" view. 5) Check the Klopfgeist parameters in its GUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 My issue probably goes deeper into some sort of system corruption. Even a blank new project from scratch has the issue. Opening an old project created prior to the problem works fine. I would have thought the plist reset would have fixed it. I saved a blank template made out of a old working project as a workaround, but what a weird problem, huh? Funny thing is that I hear the last (of 4 beats) note of Kopfgeist metronome on a count in. If I uncheck the bit about "only during count in", I hear all 4 beats play continuously during recoding normally after the skipped first 3 beats. If I change to any other Metronome instrument, I hear the first skipped 3 beats on the count in too. So you can see the problem defies logic. How hard is it to unintstall and reinstall without making a big mess of everything? (assuming that would fix what a plist re-set can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've even switched presets in Klopfeist just to see, but same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 You're not using default factory settings (notice the notes in your metronome settings are not the same as in mine). 1) Trash Logic's preference files. 2) Repeat the procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 I know. I started out with the default settings and then was messing with it trying different instruments and notes in an attempt to get it working. I'll try the plist reset again. ok, everything re-set to defaults (trashed plist) and same trouble persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ok so can you describe the problem in more details? Do you still have only one click out of 4? Which one: is that the one on the downbeat? Is it always the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 It's either the last of 4 or sometimes none of the 4 and the 4 start hearing clicks at position one. The timing in the silence of the first 3 or 4 is right, just no clicks. Keep in mind that if I choose a synth instrument for the metronome, it DOES count in the first 4 in full. Am I making sense? I always hear the clicks no matter what once the recording starts at position 1. It's just the count in that is missing as I described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 It's either the last of 4 or sometimes none of the 4 and the 4 start hearing clicks at position one. The timing in the silence of the first 3 or 4 is right, just no clicks. I'm having a hard time understanding your description. What does "the 4 start hearing" means? I'm not sure what "position one" is? And ... the "timing in the silence"? With no clicks? No idea what you mean. Keep in mind that if I choose a synth instrument for the metronome, it DOES count in the first 4 in full. Am I making sense? Yes. That part makes sense. I always hear the clicks no matter what once the recording starts at position 1. It's just the count in that is missing as I described. Independently of where you start recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Yes, at any spot. (see other answer above under your question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Attached an empty saved project with the issue if you want to see if it does it for you per project somehow, test1.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Your project works as expected here. I press R to start recording and can hear 4 clicks then the metronome stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 What if you create a track for the Klopfgeist and play it with your MIDI keyboard, or put MIDI notes on a MIDI region on the track - does it then behave as expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 The Klopfheist track plays fine via keyboard midi and doing what you suggested in the post above doesn't effect the problem. I can manually play/hear the Klop notes during the count in silent beats if I tap them on the midi keyboard. Even copied a new Klop tracks instrument via OPT/Command Drag to the metronome track and it still skips. I can't even fathom the nature of this problem. It doesn't make sense on any level. The note plays (at least independently or after the count in) And a different synth plays the full count in. So it like my Logic is haunted by a ghost that's messing with me. It's maddening. Too bad I just can't replace Klop as the default overall. At least I have a saved new project template that has the Klop count in clicks working, but still . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 What I meant was open the Mixer, click "all", locate the existing Klopfgeist channel strip, control-click it and choose "Create Arrange Track". Then add a MIDI region on it with C3 notes on every beat for example. Loop it. I have a saved new project template that has the Klop count in clicks working Really? So it does behave as expected in one new project template? Sure is an odd problem so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 What I meant was open the Mixer, click "all", locate the existing Klopfgeist channel strip, control-click it and choose "Create Arrange Track". Then add a MIDI region on it with C3 notes on every beat for example. Loop it. I have a saved new project template that has the Klop count in clicks working Really? So it does behave as expected in one new project template? Sure is an odd problem so far... The one new project was actually an old (count-in working) project that I stripped down to bare bones and then saved as a template with the working count in. I'll try what you explained above tonight. Thanks for all your help and suggestions be the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 You're welcome - let us know. That's an odd situation you're going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgman Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Anyway, tried what you suggested above and the c3 notes play looped, but any count in is still silent till it starts recording. Maybe Logic 10 will come to the rescue sooner or later and I can avoid starting my install from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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