owenroe Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Hello, I just acquired an older Mackie Control (V1.02) and I was trying to set it up with LP 9.1.8, I am running OSX 10.8. The problem is, not only will Logic not recognize the controller, it is getting a never ending stream of midi data from the unit as soon as Logic is launched, this makes it impossible to update the firmware on the controller, or toy with the settings in Logic. Projects will open and close at random, menus fly up and close and command keys go off left and right. The controller has even sprung to life occasionally, whipping faders up and down and sending the rotary LEDs into a spin. I have tried bypassing the controller and deleting all control surface data and restarting but to no avail, I can't tell if the problem lies with the controller, Logic or the midi to usb interface. Can anybody help me out with this? Is it a glitch with Logic? A bug with the controller? A bad midi connection? Any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated, I have tracks to finish and I'm on a deadline!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Is it a "Logic Control", a "Mackie Control" or a "Macie Control Universal"..? The straight "Mackie Control" was the version Mackie sold against the Logic Control, which for licensing reasons was not compatible with Logic - ie it controlled everything *but* Logic. You might be able to update the firmware with a chip to turn it into a Mackie Control Universal, if that upgrade is still available. Other than that, there is a power-up sequence to choose which mode the controller is using (check the manual), and in Logic trash the control surface prefs and use "Rebuild Defaults". But if it is only an original Mackie Control, there are not "Logic Controls" and won't work with Logic I'm afraid, at least not as a Logic Control - you might get limited funcionality in HUI mode or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenroe Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 It is a Mackie Control that has a Logic Control mode, it boots up and says *Logic Control Mode*...I've gotten it to be recognized...but not to stop sending an avalanche of data at my computer. I've heard that loose vpots might cause this, but in the examples I've heard of the loose vpots would only cause occasional ghost midi data, and my unit is sending about 5 varying notes at a time non-stop...and it doesn't appear to have a pattern, tons of different menus open up and many different functions try to activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It is a Mackie Control that has a Logic Control mode, it boots up and says *Logic Control Mode*...I've gotten it to be recognized...but not to stop sending an avalanche of data at my computer. Ok, maybe it's had the upgraded eprom then. Cool. Anyway, it will send data to your computer, because the Logic Control communication is a two way thing. Not sure whether your report is normal or not offhand, as I don't have my MCU to hand at the moment to check. I've heard that loose vpots might cause this, but in the examples I've heard of the loose vpots would only cause occasional ghost midi data, and my unit is sending about 5 varying notes at a time non-stop...and it doesn't appear to have a pattern, tons of different menus open up and many different functions try to activate. Is the control surface recognised as a control surface in Logic? Have you trashed the prefs and done a "Rebuild defaults" procedure? Is the MC connecting on it's own independent MIDI port (ie, you are not sharing the same MIDI port with other gear)..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenroe Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 The control doesn't usually automatically get recognized by Logic...at least...I don't think it does. I don't get a chance to see much if I open Logic with the control powered on because it just goes crazy. I have rebuilt defaults and trashed my .logicpro.cs library preference and I'm still having the same problem. Its not connected to a hub, its going straight into my laptops USB port...I am using a midi to USB converter cable, so maybe that's the problem..I'm going to get some regular midi cables and try to interface it regularly and through my bcr2000 as an extra fader set and see if that helps. The odd thing is that when I disable the control, I can add the control in Logic as a Logic Control (or mackie, I've tried both) Logic sees an unnamed midi device and shows the output port as "?", if I change the port to 1 or 2 it goes crazy and starts randomly changing the Control Surface Group parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The control doesn't usually automatically get recognized by Logic...at least...I don't think it does. That's not a good sign. I am using a midi to USB converter cable, so maybe that's the problem.. Very possibly. You should use a proper MIDI interface... I'm going to get some regular midi cables and try to interface it regularly and through my bcr2000 as an extra fader set and see if that helps. As long as doing this gives you an additional MIDI port. You cannot run other devices on the same MIDI port as the MC, it requires a whole port (IN and OUT) for itself. The odd thing is that when I disable the control, I can add the control in Logic as a Logic Control (or mackie, I've tried both) Logic sees an unnamed midi device and shows the output port as "?", if I change the port to 1 or 2 it goes crazy and starts randomly changing the Control Surface Group parameters. Ok, there's definitely something *really* funky going on there. Try again with a proper MIDI interface, those cheap cables are often garbage, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenroe Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Ok...so here's the update....started with cheap usb to midi cable...didn't work....tried expensive usb to midi cable...didn't work. Used driver free midi interface...didn't work. Finally I just bought a Motu Fastlane and now the controller is up and running perfectly. I didn't realize how much functionality I could get out of this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenroe Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Looks like I spoke too soon, it worked great for about 20 minutes...then I quick logic and restarted in 64 bit mode...controller went haywire. Now its back to not being recognized at all by logic. What an incredible pain in the ass all of this is. I'm guessing this is a Logic problem since the control was working perfectly until I quit....so what the hell is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Do you have a MacBook Pro with USB3 ports? If that's the case try a powered usb2 hub between the MOTU and your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Looks like I spoke too soon, it worked great for about 20 minutes...then I quick logic and restarted in 64 bit mode...controller went haywire. Now its back to not being recognized at all by logic. If you go back to 32-bit mode does it work? There shouldn't be any reason why it wouldn't work in 64-bit mode vs 32-bit mode, so I think it's more a case of the restart which buggered things up, rather than the mode switch as such. Again, trash the cs prefs and rebuild defaults. Is it back to working now, or not? Do not add the MC manually, let Logic find it, or initiate a scan from the control surfaces setup window. If it's not being detected, then something is clearly flaky with either your MIDI flow, or the controller itself. Do you have other MIDI devices? If so, I'm assuming they are working ok (bi-directionally) from the same MIDI interface? Do you have other software that the controller will work with? For example, download a demo of Ableton Live or something, and try to use the controller with that. That might help identify whether all software has issues talking to the MC, or if it's just Logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmusicny Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 If you had it working for a while, you may now have a different problem Every once in a while i have to boot up the "Audio MIDI Setup " utility and press "Rescan MIDI" upon which my Logic Control snaps back into action. no idea why . . anyway, it's worth a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenroe Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 It did work with Ableton...so trashed all of the preferences again, rebuilt defaults, trashed and re-installed the drivers for the Motu interface...The controller wasn't being recognized in Logic or sending MIdi data in the Audio Midi setup once I opened Logic. It was the only Midi unit connected to the interface and the interface was connected directly to the usb port of my macbook pro...I even went so far as to delete all other Midi devises from the Audio Midi setup and Logic. Still no luck. Then I did all of that again...and presto...Logic recognized the controller right off of the bat, and all of the functionality seemed to be there. I set up a dummy track and started playing around...after a while the controller started to get whacky again...so I repeated the entire procedure now the controller is working as it should...I've turned it off and on, switched Logic modes, worked on projects with huge amounts of data, used the plugin functionality, moved it around to check connections....no sign of problems. So in conclusion....I blame the meteor over Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 So in conclusion....I blame the meteor over Russia. Well, that was my very next suggestion step... Glad it's working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devine113 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 hello guys i am having some issues. set up macbook pro osx 10.9.2 logic 9.1.8 mackie control (older one i grey) FW v2.1.2 i used the mackie control with logic 8 and it worked fine, but since i changed mac and upgraded to logic 9 i am getting he following faders randomly shoot up when i bring them down function buttons work on the desk but not on the daw when i use the daw window the desk is perfectly in tune with the controls and they work fine, but when the desk is taking to the daw its showing the issues above. i have done the following rebult the prefrences-nothing deleted and reinstalled the units on logic checked the cables-fine is the v2.1.2 the most up to date FW for it, i know its up to v4 but thats only compatable with the the new controlers (silver) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happypax Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 hello guys i am having some issues. set up macbook pro osx 10.9.2 logic 9.1.8 mackie control (older one i grey) FW v2.1.2 i used the mackie control with logic 8 and it worked fine, but since i changed mac and upgraded to logic 9 i am getting he following faders randomly shoot up when i bring them down function buttons work on the desk but not on the daw when i use the daw window the desk is perfectly in tune with the controls and they work fine, but when the desk is taking to the daw its showing the issues above. i have done the following rebult the prefrences-nothing deleted and reinstalled the units on logic checked the cables-fine is the v2.1.2 the most up to date FW for it, i know its up to v4 but thats only compatable with the the new controlers (silver) Hi there, I have exactly the same symptoms (albeit two years on) and wondered whether you'd found a resolution. Controlling from the MCU is glitchy and bitty with the corresponding controls in the DAW jumping around with no apparent pattern (almost like the midi signals are somehow getting corrupted). Like you, adjustments from within the DAW (Logic Pro X) are reflected on the MCU flawlessly and smooth as you'd like. I'm using a Behringer FCA610 as the midi interface. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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